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		<title>By: Brian Rust</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/09/sorry-no-actually-not-the-last-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-289264</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Rust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone please explain (or link to an explanation of) how the Pitch f/x data is so much more reliable than the oft-disparaged Joe&#039;s Tracer that it refutes conclusively what the pitcher himself has to say?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone please explain (or link to an explanation of) how the Pitch f/x data is so much more reliable than the oft-disparaged Joe&#8217;s Tracer that it refutes conclusively what the pitcher himself has to say?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/09/sorry-no-actually-not-the-last-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-288949</link>
		<dc:creator>smb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John in L.A.

Yeah, I can see that now. But I realized after reading your post that I had left that interpretation of my comment open, so I wanted to clarify even though I wasn&#039;t sure you meant to be critical or just tack on to my riff. FWIW, I always enjoy your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John in L.A.</p>
<p>Yeah, I can see that now. But I realized after reading your post that I had left that interpretation of my comment open, so I wanted to clarify even though I wasn&#8217;t sure you meant to be critical or just tack on to my riff. FWIW, I always enjoy your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: spar123</title>
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		<dc:creator>spar123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think any GM should view USSM or any other blog site as particularly important at all.  It&#039;s just fans reading books and site and then applying people&#039;s work to their team.  Anybody could do it if they decided to devote the time to it.  I also don&#039;t think they would look down on it though as fan participation is good.  Where this site and others goes wrong is somehow believing they are important and that the team should listen to what they say, etc.  There&#039;s a pretty good reason why the people who run these sites or the beat writers following them are not in the FO making decisions for the team.  So this petty argument between blogging sites on who is smarter is really pretty dumb.  Scarcely does a day go by that this site, Geoff&#039;s site, or others is not ripped for this or that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think any GM should view USSM or any other blog site as particularly important at all.  It&#8217;s just fans reading books and site and then applying people&#8217;s work to their team.  Anybody could do it if they decided to devote the time to it.  I also don&#8217;t think they would look down on it though as fan participation is good.  Where this site and others goes wrong is somehow believing they are important and that the team should listen to what they say, etc.  There&#8217;s a pretty good reason why the people who run these sites or the beat writers following them are not in the FO making decisions for the team.  So this petty argument between blogging sites on who is smarter is really pretty dumb.  Scarcely does a day go by that this site, Geoff&#8217;s site, or others is not ripped for this or that.</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All he really needs to do is three things:

1) Recognize that a lot of people on the internet lose any semblance of manners, social skills, or brains the moment they start typing, and react accordingly (seriously, if I was trying to help moderate that blog instead of this one, I’d go insane, and as far as I know he doesn’t get any help);&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Today was the first time I went over to Baker´s blog and first thing that struck me that people there are a lot more agressive and, many times, off topic. Thyt is why I value this blog more. I understand that people get offended by others, I even might understand this post about somebody else ´s bad analysis (even though I don´t think it was ment to be a analysis) but what I don´t get is the reactions of others on Baker´s reaction (which seemed to be pretty natural to me, boy I would spit fire if I would be critised that much :-) ). Guys, and I don´t mean the authors here, stop, please, and go back to real Mariners problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All he really needs to do is three things:</p>
<p>1) Recognize that a lot of people on the internet lose any semblance of manners, social skills, or brains the moment they start typing, and react accordingly (seriously, if I was trying to help moderate that blog instead of this one, I’d go insane, and as far as I know he doesn’t get any help);</p></blockquote>
<p>Today was the first time I went over to Baker´s blog and first thing that struck me that people there are a lot more agressive and, many times, off topic. Thyt is why I value this blog more. I understand that people get offended by others, I even might understand this post about somebody else ´s bad analysis (even though I don´t think it was ment to be a analysis) but what I don´t get is the reactions of others on Baker´s reaction (which seemed to be pretty natural to me, boy I would spit fire if I would be critised that much <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). Guys, and I don´t mean the authors here, stop, please, and go back to real Mariners problems.</p>
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		<title>By: John in L.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in L.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smb - I actually agree with your larger point and never thought you were implying that Dave and Derek didn&#039;t work hard. 

I guess I was totally ineffective, but I was actually just continuing the sarcasm riff that I assumed (somewhat correctly, I think) you started with &quot;people who didn&#039;t tread the same arduous path&quot; not &quot;tiptoeing around (Baker&#039;s) ego.&quot; I&#039;m sorry if it came across as critical of you, I actually was trying to further your point, not attack it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smb &#8211; I actually agree with your larger point and never thought you were implying that Dave and Derek didn&#8217;t work hard. </p>
<p>I guess I was totally ineffective, but I was actually just continuing the sarcasm riff that I assumed (somewhat correctly, I think) you started with &#8220;people who didn&#8217;t tread the same arduous path&#8221; not &#8220;tiptoeing around (Baker&#8217;s) ego.&#8221; I&#8217;m sorry if it came across as critical of you, I actually was trying to further your point, not attack it.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, you guys, it could be worse, Steve Kelley could have a blog, not just a column...  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, you guys, it could be worse, Steve Kelley could have a blog, not just a column&#8230;  <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
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		<dc:creator>smb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to rant like that, but I actually found myself personally offended by the intimation that I insulted USSM. Shame of a fanboy, alas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to rant like that, but I actually found myself personally offended by the intimation that I insulted USSM. Shame of a fanboy, alas.</p>
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		<title>By: Scooter4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scooter4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I here I thought people would be excited that Silva pitched a good game...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I here I thought people would be excited that Silva pitched a good game&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
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		<dc:creator>smb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John in LA

I think you misunderstood me, so just to clarify, that post by me wasn&#039;t a defense of Baker&#039;s original &quot;analysis&quot; or subsequent weakly snarkish responses at all, nor was it any type of criticism of USSM. The sports journalism field is extremely competitive (I interned in sports at one of the dailies in HS), they don&#039;t get paid much, and they have to study hard and work hard for a long time, and also do some crappy jobs before they even get a chance at a gig like Baker now enjoys. Once they&#039;ve earned it by climbing the traditional industry ladder (which one could argue is now crumbling, leaving many in traditional print media positions facing uncertain futures), I think they figure they are done taking professional criticism from anyone they don&#039;t call their editor.  

Getting pwned by Derek and/or Dave every time he fucks up at analysis is too much for the ego of someone who had to compete hard for that livelihood, I expect...if you interpret my opinion on that as me saying Derek and Dave don&#039;t work hard, or &quot;fell backwards&quot; into USSM&#039;s success, well, then you read me 110% WRONG. I have and will continue to send these guys money because despite the fact they provide this free service on their own time and of their own free will to us, their analysis is lightyears better than anything the &quot;professionals&quot; give us, and in my book that merits financial support from me as an avid consumer of their work, whether passively solicited or not. 

In this instance I see someone who is supposed to be a professional responding to legitimate criticism from blogger-hobbyists of his published work in a way that is embarrassing to even read. The bottom threshold of professionalism in this instance would have been to ignore the criticism, whereas responding with a series of weak strawman (even worse) makes &lt;em&gt;him&lt;/em&gt; look like the amateur. Baker is/was wrong on Silva in his post, but from a human standpoint, I can understand where his irrational response to the criticism came from. Doesn&#039;t mean I agree with it, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John in LA</p>
<p>I think you misunderstood me, so just to clarify, that post by me wasn&#8217;t a defense of Baker&#8217;s original &#8220;analysis&#8221; or subsequent weakly snarkish responses at all, nor was it any type of criticism of USSM. The sports journalism field is extremely competitive (I interned in sports at one of the dailies in HS), they don&#8217;t get paid much, and they have to study hard and work hard for a long time, and also do some crappy jobs before they even get a chance at a gig like Baker now enjoys. Once they&#8217;ve earned it by climbing the traditional industry ladder (which one could argue is now crumbling, leaving many in traditional print media positions facing uncertain futures), I think they figure they are done taking professional criticism from anyone they don&#8217;t call their editor.  </p>
<p>Getting pwned by Derek and/or Dave every time he fucks up at analysis is too much for the ego of someone who had to compete hard for that livelihood, I expect&#8230;if you interpret my opinion on that as me saying Derek and Dave don&#8217;t work hard, or &#8220;fell backwards&#8221; into USSM&#8217;s success, well, then you read me 110% WRONG. I have and will continue to send these guys money because despite the fact they provide this free service on their own time and of their own free will to us, their analysis is lightyears better than anything the &#8220;professionals&#8221; give us, and in my book that merits financial support from me as an avid consumer of their work, whether passively solicited or not. </p>
<p>In this instance I see someone who is supposed to be a professional responding to legitimate criticism from blogger-hobbyists of his published work in a way that is embarrassing to even read. The bottom threshold of professionalism in this instance would have been to ignore the criticism, whereas responding with a series of weak strawman (even worse) makes <em>him</em> look like the amateur. Baker is/was wrong on Silva in his post, but from a human standpoint, I can understand where his irrational response to the criticism came from. Doesn&#8217;t mean I agree with it, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what&#039;s happening is that the poison of this awful season is seeping into everyone&#039;s bloodstream. I think Dave and Derek and Geoff are all great guys who are having a bunch of strangers get overexcited about a minor thing because we&#039;re all in such horrible pain.

Nothing that a few SP Lagers couldn&#039;t straighten right out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what&#8217;s happening is that the poison of this awful season is seeping into everyone&#8217;s bloodstream. I think Dave and Derek and Geoff are all great guys who are having a bunch of strangers get overexcited about a minor thing because we&#8217;re all in such horrible pain.</p>
<p>Nothing that a few SP Lagers couldn&#8217;t straighten right out.</p>
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