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		<title>By: Spookymilk</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/12/trades-im-rooting-for/comment-page-2/#comment-290498</link>
		<dc:creator>Spookymilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hansk</title>
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		<dc:creator>hansk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, now I got it: Betancourt and Ibanez to the Red Sox for Clay Buchholz/Michael Bowden and Brandon Moss.

We probably couldn&#039;t get Buchholz, but it&#039;s nice to dream. Red Sox fill the hole at SS and get a new OF/DH to replace Ortiz.

M&#039;s get a young, high-ceiling SP&#039;er, and Moss is a decent power hitting, LH, OF&#039;er. If we want a IF prospect we can also talk about Jed Lowrie. Other possible pitchers include Charlie Zink and David Pauley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, now I got it: Betancourt and Ibanez to the Red Sox for Clay Buchholz/Michael Bowden and Brandon Moss.</p>
<p>We probably couldn&#8217;t get Buchholz, but it&#8217;s nice to dream. Red Sox fill the hole at SS and get a new OF/DH to replace Ortiz.</p>
<p>M&#8217;s get a young, high-ceiling SP&#8217;er, and Moss is a decent power hitting, LH, OF&#8217;er. If we want a IF prospect we can also talk about Jed Lowrie. Other possible pitchers include Charlie Zink and David Pauley.</p>
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		<title>By: hansk</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/12/trades-im-rooting-for/comment-page-2/#comment-290030</link>
		<dc:creator>hansk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think maybe the Rays might be interested in Bedard? They&#039;ve lost 7 games in a row, and they&#039;ve lost the lead in the AL East. They might feel the need to add a key piece.

I mention this because the Rays actually have some prospects to offer. So many, that trading with us won&#039;t deplete their farm. The Phillies have nothing we want. Who might we want from TB?

Could it be time that Crawford is too expensive for TB? He&#039;s due $8.25 mil next year, and has a $10 mil option the year after that. Maybe he could be the center piece coming to Sea for Bedard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think maybe the Rays might be interested in Bedard? They&#8217;ve lost 7 games in a row, and they&#8217;ve lost the lead in the AL East. They might feel the need to add a key piece.</p>
<p>I mention this because the Rays actually have some prospects to offer. So many, that trading with us won&#8217;t deplete their farm. The Phillies have nothing we want. Who might we want from TB?</p>
<p>Could it be time that Crawford is too expensive for TB? He&#8217;s due $8.25 mil next year, and has a $10 mil option the year after that. Maybe he could be the center piece coming to Sea for Bedard?</p>
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		<title>By: MKT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MKT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the proposed trade would be bad for the Dodgers -- and that their GM might just be dumb enough to go for it.  The Ms in recent years have somewhat resembled the Cubs of years past (good ballpark and loyal fanbase so lots of revenue, and lots of salary expenditure, but on the wrong players), but maybe a better analogy is that the Mariners are a lightweight version of the Dodgers of recent years.  Not just in their penchant for humongous contracts to aging former all-stars, but even in some wretched lineup decisions:  this past Saturday I went to Dodger Stadium for the first time this season.  The Dodger&#039;s answer to Vidro is Andruw Jones, who before the game was hitting .172/.268/.261 -- and the Dodgers batted him 5th.  Jones responded to that vote of confidence by equalling a Dodger record with 5 strikeouts.  (In 5 plate appearances; he did manage to reach base after the 5th strikeout due to a dropped 3rd strike.)  That lineup decision likely cost the Dodgers a victory:  if they had simply swapped their #6 hitter, Loney, into the #5 spot (and assuming that Loney&#039;s plate appearances had the same outcomes, granted we don&#039;t know how valid that is), the Dodgers would&#039;ve scored an additional run in the first inning, and would&#039;ve won the game 4-3 instead of losing in 11 innings 3-5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the proposed trade would be bad for the Dodgers &#8212; and that their GM might just be dumb enough to go for it.  The Ms in recent years have somewhat resembled the Cubs of years past (good ballpark and loyal fanbase so lots of revenue, and lots of salary expenditure, but on the wrong players), but maybe a better analogy is that the Mariners are a lightweight version of the Dodgers of recent years.  Not just in their penchant for humongous contracts to aging former all-stars, but even in some wretched lineup decisions:  this past Saturday I went to Dodger Stadium for the first time this season.  The Dodger&#8217;s answer to Vidro is Andruw Jones, who before the game was hitting .172/.268/.261 &#8212; and the Dodgers batted him 5th.  Jones responded to that vote of confidence by equalling a Dodger record with 5 strikeouts.  (In 5 plate appearances; he did manage to reach base after the 5th strikeout due to a dropped 3rd strike.)  That lineup decision likely cost the Dodgers a victory:  if they had simply swapped their #6 hitter, Loney, into the #5 spot (and assuming that Loney&#8217;s plate appearances had the same outcomes, granted we don&#8217;t know how valid that is), the Dodgers would&#8217;ve scored an additional run in the first inning, and would&#8217;ve won the game 4-3 instead of losing in 11 innings 3-5.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/12/trades-im-rooting-for/comment-page-2/#comment-290022</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose this is the best place to post this, though it probably doesn&#039;t mean much. An update over the blurb they had last week, From ESPN:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Twins have contacted the Mariners about the possibility of aquiring Adrian Beltre. It is unclear how deep the conversation got, but it is a step forward as the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported last week that the Twins had internal discussions about Beltre.

Beltre, who was a Gold Glove winner last year, would be the bat the Twins are looking for against left-handed pitching.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose this is the best place to post this, though it probably doesn&#8217;t mean much. An update over the blurb they had last week, From ESPN:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Twins have contacted the Mariners about the possibility of aquiring Adrian Beltre. It is unclear how deep the conversation got, but it is a step forward as the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported last week that the Twins had internal discussions about Beltre.</p>
<p>Beltre, who was a Gold Glove winner last year, would be the bat the Twins are looking for against left-handed pitching.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The longer I look at Yuni&#039;s numbers (offense, defense, and contract), the more I want to get rid of him. I&#039;d settle for Hu and a &quot;C&quot; prospect.

And the more I look at all of the M&#039;s hitters&#039; stats, the more depressed I get. But Lopez is one of the best of a sorry lot, and he&#039;s cheap, so I say keep him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The longer I look at Yuni&#8217;s numbers (offense, defense, and contract), the more I want to get rid of him. I&#8217;d settle for Hu and a &#8220;C&#8221; prospect.</p>
<p>And the more I look at all of the M&#8217;s hitters&#8217; stats, the more depressed I get. But Lopez is one of the best of a sorry lot, and he&#8217;s cheap, so I say keep him.</p>
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		<title>By: coolpapabell</title>
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		<dc:creator>coolpapabell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the bye, Mike Carp is a no glove solid stick guy, in other words....he has DH written all over him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the bye, Mike Carp is a no glove solid stick guy, in other words&#8230;.he has DH written all over him.</p>
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		<title>By: coolpapabell</title>
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		<dc:creator>coolpapabell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Bobby Parnell, Carp and we&#039;ll call it a day? If that is not your flavor, then maybe Carp and Nick Evans is more your flavor? No? Well we won&#039;t go any further than Carp/Evans and David Murphy....in other words Niese is not going any where because we need him in the rotation next year. Only Maine, Pelfrey and Johan are signed through next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Bobby Parnell, Carp and we&#8217;ll call it a day? If that is not your flavor, then maybe Carp and Nick Evans is more your flavor? No? Well we won&#8217;t go any further than Carp/Evans and David Murphy&#8230;.in other words Niese is not going any where because we need him in the rotation next year. Only Maine, Pelfrey and Johan are signed through next year.</p>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been looking at who I&#039;d like to get rid of more - Yuni or Lopez. I lean toward Yuni because he&#039;s signed for longer and for more $. Lopez actually is cheaper than I thought. OTOH, there is chance to land Mark Ellis this winter, and I think he&#039;d be a great addition and he&#039;s undervalued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been looking at who I&#8217;d like to get rid of more &#8211; Yuni or Lopez. I lean toward Yuni because he&#8217;s signed for longer and for more $. Lopez actually is cheaper than I thought. OTOH, there is chance to land Mark Ellis this winter, and I think he&#8217;d be a great addition and he&#8217;s undervalued.</p>
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		<title>By: JI</title>
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		<dc:creator>JI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jarrod’s FIP is 4.39. Nothing fantastic, but better than Looper and not much worse than Joel and Wellmeyer. Figure some kind of adjustment for moving to the NL (if FIP doesn’t account for league) and he’d look better with better defense.

As for their desire to aquire Lopez, he’s hitting better than Kennedy or Miles and while we can all agree Lopez’s defense it pretty bad at this point, I’m not sure it’s SO bad to make up the gap between Jose and the Cardinal incumbents.

Frankly, I’ve been rooting for Chris Duncan to get moved to the AL for a couple years now. He could “play” firstbase, but his glove would look even better at DH.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, but why would they give up so much for such a marginal upgrade? Lopez a small upgrade at best, and Washburn... he&#039;s better than Ron Villone, but mostly just as bad as what they have (and Wellemeyer has much more talent then Washburn has at this point, he&#039;s just been pitching hurt the last few starts).

I see no reason why the Cardinals would want to take on Washburn&#039;s contract &lt;strong&gt;plus&lt;/strong&gt; give away talented players while hurting their depth at the MLB level when they have Wainwright returning in three weeks, and Carpenter shortly after.

They&#039;d be much better off if they spent their talent on Burnett, Wolf, or Maddux.

*Also, Duncan is a natural firstbaseman, I&#039;m not sure the quotes are entirely necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jarrod’s FIP is 4.39. Nothing fantastic, but better than Looper and not much worse than Joel and Wellmeyer. Figure some kind of adjustment for moving to the NL (if FIP doesn’t account for league) and he’d look better with better defense.</p>
<p>As for their desire to aquire Lopez, he’s hitting better than Kennedy or Miles and while we can all agree Lopez’s defense it pretty bad at this point, I’m not sure it’s SO bad to make up the gap between Jose and the Cardinal incumbents.</p>
<p>Frankly, I’ve been rooting for Chris Duncan to get moved to the AL for a couple years now. He could “play” firstbase, but his glove would look even better at DH.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, but why would they give up so much for such a marginal upgrade? Lopez a small upgrade at best, and Washburn&#8230; he&#8217;s better than Ron Villone, but mostly just as bad as what they have (and Wellemeyer has much more talent then Washburn has at this point, he&#8217;s just been pitching hurt the last few starts).</p>
<p>I see no reason why the Cardinals would want to take on Washburn&#8217;s contract <strong>plus</strong> give away talented players while hurting their depth at the MLB level when they have Wainwright returning in three weeks, and Carpenter shortly after.</p>
<p>They&#8217;d be much better off if they spent their talent on Burnett, Wolf, or Maddux.</p>
<p>*Also, Duncan is a natural firstbaseman, I&#8217;m not sure the quotes are entirely necessary.</p>
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