16 Jul
P-I Baseball Extra
The P-I decided to do a big baseball section today with four Mariner-centric pieces. A quick rundown:
Jim Moore: He wants to trade Ichiro. I tried to talk him out of it. I failed.
Art Thiel: He wants Lincoln and Armstrong to step down. Keep beating that drum, Art.
John Hickey: He wants the M’s to be more like the A’s, though his analysis of why the A’s are good misses most of the real points of why the A’s are good.
David Andriesen: He wants the M’s to cut Jose Vidro. We all do.
Consider the source.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:38 pmIt’s funny how the blogosphere has made all these points (except for the stupid Ichiro one) for years. Ha ha…love it.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:19 pmGo Art!
This was pretty damning:
July 16th, 2008 at 11:30 pmJim Moore is the Jose Vidro of local columnists: that he continues to have a job is completely inexplicable. His entire qualifications appear to be (a) he has a dog, and (b) he went to WSU. Fundamental skills you would think would be a minimum requirement to have a newspaper column — like the ability to write basic sentences, say, or the ability to apply basic analytical thinking to things you are writing about — seem regularly to elude him. But who knows, maybe he improved; I stopped trying to read his work years ago. Wait, he wants to trade Ichiro? Scratch the “maybe he improved” part.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:31 pmThe inclusion of Dave’s comments might have made that the only worthwhile Jim Moore column, ever.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:36 pmMoore’s reliance on Colin Cowherd for his evaluation of Ichiro’s skills shows a lot of analysis. Cowherd had a radio show, ergo he’s an expert.
In any event, the “let’s trade the best player” column is standard woodchopping when you have no ideas. Which is basically Moore’s natural state.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:36 pmTo his credit, Moore called me and still included my statements in the article, even though he clearly expected me to have a different opinion.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:45 pmPerhaps a certain former American League executive also known as Wolley Segap??
July 17th, 2008 at 12:02 amThat Moore quoted Colin Cowherd and Tim McCarver is all I need to know about his writing skills.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:35 amIf the Mariners trade Ichiro I’ll cry.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:16 amYeah, and Groz used to call him “the go-to guy” — though I’m not sure where the hell he’s going to.
As for Thiel, he’ll likely be placed under a banning order for such thinking…but screw it…YOU GO ART!!
July 17th, 2008 at 2:45 amLove Art Thiel. It is nice to see someone in the traditional media tightening the screws on Ho-Strong.
That’s his official nick-name and appears (or used to appear) on all his columns. It isn’t something that just Groz called him.
I’m even more of a UW fan than a Mariners fan so you can imagine I’m not super-sympathetic to Moore, but I think that people give him too hard of a time. I think of him as the court jester of the Seattle media, writing goofy columns without a ton of logic. He doesn’t take himself that seriously and neither should anyone else. Just try to take him in small doses.
July 17th, 2008 at 6:11 amWould you people still be against trading Ichiro if we got a fantastic return for him?
July 17th, 2008 at 6:34 amIt is extremely unlikely that the M’s would be able to get close to equal value for Ichiro, which is why I pray that they do not trade him. The good thing is I doubt the M’s will seriously consider moving Ichiro. Unfortunately, they will consider moving Bedard, mostly because, like Guillen and Soriano, they don’t like him. Then we will be looking at Armstrong offering up lously explanations of why they traded a talented player for nothing.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:06 amWhat’s this, a halfway decent reason for trading Ichiro? From Jim Moore? Yeesh… someone check the thermostat and make sure the Devil didn’t turn it down again to play jokes with us…
July 17th, 2008 at 7:17 amLet’s not underestimate this front office–it’s entirely possible they would receive less than nothing in return (HoRam, I am looking at you).
July 17th, 2008 at 7:20 amI love Jim Moore. He’s hilarious and irreverent. Some people need to develop a sense of irony and humor. Jim Moore can help you do that.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:32 amone of the things to like about Moore is that he too seems to find it inexplicable that he has the job he has.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:35 amThat’s the “court jester” mentality that I’m talking about.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:38 amJim Moore may be a buffoon, but we will always have him to thank for breaking the story on Scott Spiezio’s abominable tattoo.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Being a [Mariner] fan develops those senses far better than any writer ever could.
July 17th, 2008 at 8:02 amDave v. Colin Cowherd: It’s like the Lincoln-Douglas debates, if Dave is Lincoln and you replace Douglas with a ham sandwich.
July 17th, 2008 at 8:08 amIf Jim Moore is hilarious, then Larry the Cable Guy’s fart jokes are fresh and cutting edge.
I was not getting any love from the bat boy article in the Times this morning, but I guess it is working now. It’s a fluff piece x1000, but here’s the link:
Mariners batboy’s duties…
I had some quote predictions before I got the link to work, and while they were way off, here they are:
“When Raul Ibanez is your best hope for a decent tip, you know you are at the bottom of the MLB bat boy barrel”
“You think you fans hate Jose Vidro? Try being responsible for washing his queso fresco-filled jock night after night!”
“Honestly, I am thisclose to stealing Bloomquist’s jersey and getting an extra base hit myself.”
July 17th, 2008 at 8:22 amspeaking of people that I find the fact that he continues to have a job completely inexplicable.
July 17th, 2008 at 8:22 amum, not the batboy. Or Dave.
July 17th, 2008 at 8:23 amHuh?
July 17th, 2008 at 8:40 amLove Art Thiel. It is nice to see someone in the traditional media tightening the screws on Ho-Strong.
I agree. With Bavasi gone and Sexson no longer an available (and obvious) target, this summer of our baseball discontent is rife with inchoate fury just left to roil in the air like a swarm of blind bees. Angry, angry bees. I worry that it is going to settle onto, say, Bedard rather direct itself at the real root of the problem.
I’m not sure I buy into Thiel’s solution, though. I’m generally not in favor of adding yet more management to anything, and while I see the cleverness in sliding in someone with some baseball sense to effectively kick Arm-Linc upstairs/aside and out of decision-making without any loss of face, I don’t see how that would work in practice. They’d still be free to interfere unless they show more self-restraint than they have in the past — or there’s a dictum from the principal owner, which seems unlikely. And who is the “baseball person” they might hire? This comes back to the same problem they’ve had with picking GMs. They’re the blind guys in a room full of people, going around asking each one “Can you see?” If the person says “Yes” they hire him… but how do they know?
To his credit, Moore called me and still included my statements in the article, even though he clearly expected me to have a different opinion.
That is to his credit, and also that he thought to talk to USSM at all.
But still.
Just try to take him in small doses.
Works for me. I’m at three plus years between doses I think, and still counting (no, an article about Ichiro is not enough to send me back for more).
Would you people still be against trading Ichiro if we got a fantastic return for him?
No, and just as soon as this team has management that actually could get a fantastic return for him, we’ll revisit the question. (Though count me in the camp that thinks there is probably no other team in baseball that gets as much value out of Ichiro as the M’s do, so even the best GM may not be able to get a “fantastic” return for him.)
July 17th, 2008 at 9:13 amWhy hate on Moore? He’s a humorist, pokes fun at himself more than anyone else, doesn’t have an inflated sense of self-importance and realizes that sports, at their core, are just sports.
As far as this article, what’s unreasonable about it? He explains exactly why he contacted Cowherd, gives Dave a ton of love, acknowledges that he personally has no great love for Ichiro, and states valid reasons for trading him (team is bad right now, Ichiro is in his decline phase, he makes a lot of money).
If Moore isn’t your cup of tea, then don’t read him. I don’t like Harry Potter, myself, but it doesn’t bother me that the books are popular. Writing shouldn’t be constrained to a single particular style.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:25 amIn Hickey’s article, he refers to Rich Harden as a first round draft pick.
Ummm…no. Rich Harden was drafted by Oakland in the 17th round of the 2000 draft (Seattle actually drafted him in the 38th round in 1999, but he went to college instead). This would have taken all of 3 second to look up on the internets. Amazing.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:27 amit will if Ian Furness has anything to say about it.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:30 amI like how Cowherd calls Ichiro a bad clubhouse guy right after we get done reading a couple stories about how Ichiro really livens up the AL clubhouse during All Star Games.
Of course, it’s Cowherd. You could come to the right opinion on baseball matters 95% of the time by simply believing the opposite of whatever Cowherd says. He’s a disgrace and his continued employment is a black mark on ESPN in my book.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:38 amIt’d probably be too hard to pay Ichiro anyways. He’s overpaid, has 4 years left on his contract after this season, and he’s getting older.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:39 amWord down in Tacoma is that LaHair is coming up. Divish speculates a trade is in the works, but hopefully, Vidro is gone.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:40 am23: Larry the Cable Guy. Genius.
Seriously though, I’m not sure I get why you think it’s cool to denigrate someone’s sense of humor. Heaven forbid I would have written that Moore might have made a couple of good points. Can’t you discuss your positions without an insult?
July 17th, 2008 at 9:45 amPlease.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:54 amJerry Brewer wonders How To Navigate Irrelevance
no, not his own. The rest of the Mariners season.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:56 amIchiro might be overpaid playing for some other team; he’s not overpaid in Seattle (whatever Dave Samson thinks). And in fact a strong case can be made that he’s not overpaid at all (whatever you might think). But even if you think he’s overpaid here, he’s far from the top of the list (even with Sexson gone I don’t think he cracks the top 5. Silva, Vidro, Washburn, Johjima, Batista. Nope.)
July 17th, 2008 at 10:06 amYou know, I happened across Jerry Brewer talking to Dan Devone a couple of nights ago and his comments about the M’s (and particularly the trade market) seemed very astute.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:11 amThe thing about Moore’s column is that he really wasn’t interested in accommodating Dave’s opinion. He let Dave have his say, then, in essence, paused for a second before going on: “OK, then … annnnnnnnyway, as I was saying ….”
It would have been a far better column if he had actually engaged Dave in some give-and-take, rather than retreating to his own indefensible thesis.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:22 amThe problem with talking to Cowherd is that Cowherd has probably watched between 0 and 1 Mariner games this year. More than likely, he has done no reporting, no research, and hasn’t talked to anyone within the organization. He is a talking head who regurgitates opinions he sees in the papers or on the internet. Moore’s sole reasoning behind talking to Cowherd is that Cowherd works at ESPN and grew up in Washington state.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:25 am#31 — Yeah, it is amazing that an infusion of talent, say 32 AL all-stars, immediately makes for a better, more cohesive clubhouse. Instead of getting rid of Ichiro to improve the clubhouse, the M’s should try to accumulate all-stars like Ichiro.
And I completely agree with Matthew about Cowherd.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:30 amI like Jim Moore. He’s not a good analyst; he’s not supposed to be. He’s funny. I think he’s called “the Go 2 Guy” because he’s the guy they go to when they need to fill a bunch of column inches and don’t have a “serious writer” available. The sports pages would be worse without him.
Two things that jumped out at me: the quote about Lincoln and Armstrong, and this tidbit:
July 17th, 2008 at 10:37 amI understand that developing homegrown talent is much wiser and financially prudent than overpaying risky free agents, but if the Ms are going to model their philosophy after a division rival, maybe it should be the team that has won the division three of the past four years and a world series in 2002.
I hope the PI DFAs Hickey and he gets claimed off waivers by the Queen Anne News.
Brewer/Stone ‘08
July 17th, 2008 at 10:38 amhmm. according to Hickey at the time, the M’s were denied permission to talk with Beane in 2003. That’s wahat Larry Stone also reported.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:49 amin fact, Sacramento Bee, October 25, 2003
“Last year, the A’s allowed the Boston Red Sox to interview Billy Beane, the front-office leader portrayed as a baseball genius in the best-selling book “Moneyball.” This year, the A’s aren’t being so gracious. At least not when it comes to their main division rival. The team said Friday it has denied the Seattle Mariners’ request to interview Beane for their general manager vacancy, created when Pat Gillick resigned two days after his club finished three games behind the A’s in the American League West.”
July 17th, 2008 at 10:53 amThis pretty much sums it up. Those two “humorists” have the same target audience.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:03 am#46: See #34.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:07 amJim Moore’s doing something right because he’s a hot topic here. Ya’ll say you can’t stand him and his columns, but you sure are the first to talk about him. He’s the perfect compliment to Thiel who is the best columnist in this town. If you take Moore’s columns seriously then you need a personal oil change.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:21 amIf only the M’s were in first place by 20 games, then we wouldn’t have all stooped this low.
#47: see #102
July 17th, 2008 at 11:21 am#49: see #A_11
July 17th, 2008 at 11:25 amso, no D’backs loot for Ibanez:
“The Arizona Republic reports that a deal between the Diamondbacks and Padres for Tony Clark could be finalized today”
July 17th, 2008 at 11:25 amSexson signs with the Yanks. They’re done.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:30 amYankees have tentative deal with first baseman Sexson.
It looks like they’re falling for Sexson’s performance against lefties this year… in 61 at bats.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:33 amSexson
Nice article about Marzy
July 17th, 2008 at 11:33 amI was hoping Sexson didnt get picked up because we all know hes about to hit 30 hr’s in the second half.
I’m going to be sick.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:35 amSo, here’s the thing I was wondering about. The minute Sexson was DFA’d, we started hearing about a handful of teams showing interest. Why couldn’t the M’s put together a deal with the Yankees before DFAing Sexson? Not a blockbuster, just a quick call that went something like:
“Hey Brian, we’ll send you Sexson and eat his salary for a PTBNL. Deal?”
July 17th, 2008 at 11:42 amthey tried. why would you give anything for someone you know you can get for essentially free?
July 17th, 2008 at 11:47 amI actually enjoyed Moore’s article on Ichiro, minus the inclusion of Colin Cowherd. He seemed to contrast the two schools of thought on Ichiro pretty well, but he didn’t really tie any of it into reasons to trade Ichiro. As someone that thinks that Ichiro shouldn’t be untouchable I don’t really feel that point was bolstered by Moore’s piece.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:49 amRe #27 “this summer of our baseball discontent is rife with inchoate fury just left to roil in the air like a swarm of blind bees.”
Nice turn of phrase joser. That is well above replacement level posting.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:54 amAck, just what I thought would happen.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:55 amWould you people still be against trading Ichiro if we got a fantastic return for him?
That is the key issue. A multi-player swap that brought us the rest of the AL starting all-star lineup for Ichiro would be worth doing. The rationally expected return, however, would not justify the impact that losing Ichiro would have on the team.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:59 am57
I would hope that they tried. How do you know that they did? Was that in an interview somewhere?
July 17th, 2008 at 11:59 amSexson had a bad attitude with the Mariners because:
1. We booed the crap out of him pretty much every game for the past 2 years
2. This year, he wasn’t getting to play every day
So now:
1. He’s going to play behind Jason Giambi and only play with left-handers on the mound
July 17th, 2008 at 12:00 pm2. He’s going to play in front on New York fans? We just booed him, they will eat him for breakfast!!
And seriously, can you imagine what will happen at the Safe when the Yankees come into town in September, with both A-Rod and Sexson on the team?!!
July 17th, 2008 at 12:02 pmLike Paul said, are you sure they tried? As for why would they give something - to avoid having Sexson go to someone else. You can still have a bidding war when people are bidding peanuts. At least you end up with peanuts.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:15 pmWe talk about Vidro a lot too, but he sure isn’t doing anything right.
Like I said, Jim Moore has a pretty specific target audience, that I’m not a part of. I don’t care if people find him funny, but to imply that there is something wrong with the sense of humor of people who don’t think constant references to WSU and his dog are UTTERLY HILARIOUS is puerile.
Also, #50 see #867-5309!
July 17th, 2008 at 12:17 pmSexson may have a slightly easier time acclimating to New York than he did here. First off, he’s being brought in with significantly lower expectations. We signed him to be a slugging everyday first baseman and a star, and paid him a significant sum to do so.
New York is paying him next to nothing, and he’s going there with the expectation and understanding that he won’t be playing every day. As for the New York media and fans: Sexson’s a bench player. They’ll have bigger fish to fry.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:34 pmQuestion:
Hickey writes that the M’s “Passed over Billy Beane in their search for a GM 5 years ago…”
Is that true? Was Beane really an option? I highly doubt it given his last second withdrawal from the Red Sox around the same time.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:37 pmYes. They will beat us.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:39 pmLike I said I appreciate Moore (in small doses) but this comment is bizarre. Moore is almost NEVER mentioned on this site, so we sure aren’t “the first to talk about him.”
July 17th, 2008 at 12:52 pmI really like rooting for Ichiro and hope he stays a M.
That said, I would also grant him a trade if he asked.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:56 pmsee #44-45.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:00 pmto avoid having Sexson go somewhere else (if he would) all a team would have to do was claim him on waivers.
as far as trying, no, no member of the FO came out and announced ‘we tried to get someone to give us something for the Big Guy and they all laughed’. Bavasi mentioned back when Baek was on the market, he talked to almost every team about a number of players, and that the market then was non-existent. All of the reports of Sexson’s release contained variations of the same phrase … “The Mariners would have loved to trade Sexson, but his $14 million salary this season made that nearly impossible”
July 17th, 2008 at 1:13 pmHuh? You lost me there. How could a team claim him on waivers if the M’s tried to trade him?
If the M’s agreed to eat his salary, then that’s not an issue. As it is, they’re eating his salary and getting nothing back.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:17 pm69 - Comedy. I just hope Sexson goes bleach blond for the New Yawka’s
God. I hate our team.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:24 pmso you were assuming that there would be enough interest in Sexson from multiple teams before he was DFA’d.
eating all but the major league minimum, which will be paid by the Yankees (or whomever)
July 17th, 2008 at 1:29 pmNo team was going to claim Sexson on waivers because then they would have had to pick up the remainder of his salary. This explains why players can be traded after the July 31 deadline, because they have to pass through waivers first.
Sexson is really a pretty good fit for the Yankees. I hope he does well there. And I know the Yankees now have a better platoon at first base than the M’s do. And we’re paying more for ours, since we’re paying Vidro/Cairo/Sexson for ours.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:32 pmWith the M’s eating his salary and asking for minimal return, I assume there would be some interest, or at the very least that a competent negotiator could convince Cashman there might be other teams and shake loose a 26 year old AA pitcher who might turn into a servicable bullpen part.
But, from how it went down and based on their track record of not planning ahead in roster moves, I have to assume the M’s didn’t think about it. Instead, one day Riggleman said Sexson was moping around and the org - worried about damaging their precious clubhouse chemistry- panicked and DFA’d him without even making an effort.
Not the biggest failure on their part by a long shot, but indicative of a category of problems.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:41 pmSmugness and arrogance are a great combination.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:42 pmbut if the Ms are going to model their philosophy after a division rival, maybe it should be the team that has won the division three of the past four years and a world series in 2002.
Maybe that is the plan. Step one: hire Bavasi. Step 2: Get rid of Bavasi. Step 3: Profit!
Nice turn of phrase joser. That is well above replacement level posting.
Thank you. I was pleased when that somehow rolled out of my typing fingers. Startled, but pleased. Like Bloomquist with a double.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:54 pm37 - The thing is, if you take Ichiro’s 2008 season and his return to RF into account, using Dave’s analysis from last year, Ichiro becomes overpaid.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:54 pmFixed that for you.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:56 pmAfter DFA’ing someone, the team still has 10 days to trade or release him. If the team decided to DFA Sexson suddenly, as you imply, that wouldn’t have prevented the team from trading Sexson if there had been an interested party.
It seems as if you’re trying to make the Sexson DFA another example of the M’s front office not knowing what they are doing. While you might be right about the front office, I don’t think the failure to get something of value for Sexson is a good example.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:59 pmWhy is it so hard to believe that people might pick Sexson up for free, but aren’t willing to give up even a marginal talent for him?
July 17th, 2008 at 2:04 pmyou got me.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:08 pmSmugness and arrogance are a great combination.
Stop being so bloody self-righteous.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:15 pmsomehow I missed Ryan Divish’ link to Joe Posnanski’s Vidro rant.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:17 pmPardon the Interruption just called Ichiro’s contract a horrible contract.
I vaguely remember you writing an article defending Ichiro’s contract. Could you link me tha in a response? I want to compare what you said, compared to what they said.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:44 pm“My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is, ‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all”
July 17th, 2008 at 2:52 pmhere is one link
July 17th, 2008 at 2:53 pmand another
July 17th, 2008 at 2:54 pm#86: That’s rich. It starts off with me saying I think Jim Moore is humorous, it ends up with someone saying Jim Moore’s humor is “puerile,” and I’m the self-righteous one. Right.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:57 pmWould you dudes please knock this off? Thanks.
July 17th, 2008 at 3:09 pmSexson wasn’t DFA’d — he was flat out released, likely because Pelekoudas got tired of calling other teams and having them hang up on them.
July 17th, 2008 at 3:09 pmUnless I’m misreading the news reports, Sexson’s going to be on their 25 man roster this weekend. That sort of implies a little more than an “oh what the hell” level of interest. They think he can help them. We really couldn’t even get a PTBNL for him?
OTOH, they did get something for Baek, so maybe I’m being too hard on the FO.
July 17th, 2008 at 3:22 pmAnd a grand rant it is indeed. I think I’ll bake a placate pie for dessert tonight.
July 17th, 2008 at 3:36 pmper Hickey, on the day: “So a few hours after the game, Sexson was placed on irrevocable waivers, ending a tenure that began with much fanfare when Sexson signed a four-year, $64 million contract in December 2004.”
July 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pmWe could double-assure success by firing Riggleman and hiring Buck Showalter for the rest of the year, then firing him regardless of his record.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:45 pmI’ll bite.
3 fans will snore in the bleachers. The Ms will be blown out.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:55 pmsomehow I missed Ryan Divish’ link to Joe Posnanski’s Vidro rant.
Yeah, it got linked towards the end of one of the KC game threads, but the link was kind of messed up; I tracked it down and added a comment with the correct link. But it was the end of a KC game thread. I don’t think it cracked 60 comments total, so who’d notice?
But I also put a comment over on his site saying we M’s fans shared his outraged confusion (or baffled outrage, or whatever you experience when encountering inexplicable stupidity).
July 17th, 2008 at 6:28 pm3 fans will snore in the bleachers. The Ms will be blown out.
With the Yanks in town? C’mon, folks will still turn out to see their beloved Bronx Bombers — all the more so if they think a blow-out is in the offing. Granted, all the bandwagon types have Red Sox gear now, so turnout will be less than it would’ve been back when the Yankees were regularly playing late in the postseason, but there will still be plenty of NY caps in the stands.
July 17th, 2008 at 6:53 pmLOL…we’d be lucky to get a Don Mattingly rookie card off of Cashman for Big Sucksy!
Can’t wait to see their reaction when he goes 0-for-4 two games in a row!
July 17th, 2008 at 6:55 pmThe Yanks may not be what they once were, but this isn’t Oakland either…they’ll be decent crowds for that series.
Though, sad to say, the latter probably will happen.
That’s entirely possible…though they’ve been known to roll the dice and crap out before, too (case in point: Jose Canseco).
July 17th, 2008 at 7:16 pmCan’t wait to see their reaction when he goes 0-for-4 two games in a row!
As a “defensive replacement” and half a platoon against lefties, he may not see four ABs in another game this year, let alone two back-to-back.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:26 pmTrue — again with another dishonorable mention to that great former Yankee Right-Handed Backup DH Jose Canseco (i.e. Master of the Warmed Bench, 2000).
July 17th, 2008 at 8:04 pmcool. now Moore is on KJR with Puckett, and the two of them have decided that, yes, you’ve gotta move Ichiro.
July 17th, 2008 at 8:21 pmOh, boy…a couple of brainstorming Mensas there.
July 17th, 2008 at 8:29 pmok, Puck has moved on to who is untradable –Felix, Clement (at least, not this GM being the trader), not sure that he wants to see Betancourt go anywhere …
ooh, a caller wants to know why wouldn’t the Mariners do what it takes to go get Matt Holiday? he’s young, he’s productive and would be for years? or say guys like Duncan & Ludwig from the Cardinals? Seems like it would be in their best interests to go that route…
July 17th, 2008 at 8:48 pmnow a caller says he was calling years ago for a trade of Ichiro, c’mon he’s on a team that is finishing in the cellah, shoulda been traded two years ago for a front-line startah, maybe an outfieldah, when they were coming good and gone some where.
man, I have to turn this off.
July 17th, 2008 at 8:51 pmWhy do you torture yourself by listening to KJR, aside from catching Dave’s appearances?
July 17th, 2008 at 8:58 pmHey, it’s 9 o’clock…Hawaii Five-O’s on!
July 17th, 2008 at 9:05 pmI like how over half of Moore’s supporting argument is based on the expert analysis of Colon Cow Herd. If you want college and pro football and hoops, he often has some good takes. He really knows college football.
I listen to a bit of him every day and I can tell you he just isn’t a baseball guy at all. No real understanding of the game. Not a real fan of the game. He just talks about it because he has to. His opinions are just drivel that sounds intelligent, actual analysis usually shows them to be pure crap.
I remember in April when the Tigers were really struggling and were linked to Bonds rumors, he repeated the following nonsense nearly verbatim at least a dozen times:
“The Tigers are a team of free swinging power hitters, the last thing they need is to add Barry Bonds, another free swinging high strike out power hitter”. He kept saying it with knowing conviction over and over and over……….He always has strong opinions on baseball, but…..???
He was right on 1/3 of those assertions: Bonds is a power hitter.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:30 pmI will elaborate no further on the baseball acumen of one Colon Cow Herd.
Believe it or not, Cowturd actually used to do play-by-play years ago for the Las Vegas Stars (now the 51’s) of the PCL. Though I was fortunate enough to miss that carnage while living down there (which was from 92-94), I remember him doing sports for one of the local TV stations. Then as now, he was a HUGE windbag.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:59 pmas with last night, it is usually inadvertent– I tunr on the radio, and there is Moore, blathering, and I am stunned into inaction.
July 18th, 2008 at 7:44 am