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	<title>Comments on: Game 96, Indians at Mariners</title>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/18/game-96-indians-at-mariners/comment-page-3/#comment-290921</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We’re just being set up for the under 80 mill payroll next year.&lt;/i&gt;

Just getting rid of Sexson has got them more than a third of the way there already.  Subtract the stupid money they have sunk in Silva, Vidro, and Washburn ($25.35M) they&#039;d be in the $77M range already.  Unfortunately they&#039;re on the hook for even more stupid money in Silva ($11M), Washburn ($10.35M), and Johjima ($8M) for next year.

And that&#039;s the real problem.  Heaven forbid the M&#039;s were an $80M payroll team like the Brewers; I mean, just look at their respective records -- clearly, having less than $117M is certain doom and $117M is guaranteed success, especially in a non-competitive division like the NL Central.  Last I checked, the M&#039;s were looking up, way up, at the Rangers ($68M) and Oakland ($48M). (Let&#039;s not even mention Florida --$20M-- or Tampa Bay --$43M).  No, it&#039;s clear you can have a winning team with an $80M payroll.  But the real problem for the M&#039;s is all those contracts Bavasi has wound around their necks, so that now they need more than $80M just to make up for the deadweight they&#039;re already paying for.  This is a hole the next GM will spend years digging the team out of, and more money will just allow him (or her) to do that faster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We’re just being set up for the under 80 mill payroll next year.</i></p>
<p>Just getting rid of Sexson has got them more than a third of the way there already.  Subtract the stupid money they have sunk in Silva, Vidro, and Washburn ($25.35M) they&#8217;d be in the $77M range already.  Unfortunately they&#8217;re on the hook for even more stupid money in Silva ($11M), Washburn ($10.35M), and Johjima ($8M) for next year.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the real problem.  Heaven forbid the M&#8217;s were an $80M payroll team like the Brewers; I mean, just look at their respective records &#8212; clearly, having less than $117M is certain doom and $117M is guaranteed success, especially in a non-competitive division like the NL Central.  Last I checked, the M&#8217;s were looking up, way up, at the Rangers ($68M) and Oakland ($48M). (Let&#8217;s not even mention Florida &#8211;$20M&#8211; or Tampa Bay &#8211;$43M).  No, it&#8217;s clear you can have a winning team with an $80M payroll.  But the real problem for the M&#8217;s is all those contracts Bavasi has wound around their necks, so that now they need more than $80M just to make up for the deadweight they&#8217;re already paying for.  This is a hole the next GM will spend years digging the team out of, and more money will just allow him (or her) to do that faster.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hey, wait, if Vidro was protecting Ibanez, what happens now? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Power of Beltre, bubba.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hey, wait, if Vidro was protecting Ibanez, what happens now? </p></blockquote>
<p>The Power of Beltre, bubba.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/18/game-96-indians-at-mariners/comment-page-3/#comment-290912</link>
		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>were you talking about Hickey&#039;s mid-week &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/371099_mari17.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;analysis&#039; column?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>were you talking about Hickey&#8217;s mid-week <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/371099_mari17.html" rel="nofollow">&#8216;analysis&#8217; column?</a></p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and yet the pi printed an article last week how the m’s were going to lose money this year and may have to make a cash call on owners for next season.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

what article was that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and yet the pi printed an article last week how the m’s were going to lose money this year and may have to make a cash call on owners for next season.</p></blockquote>
<p>what article was that?</p>
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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We’re just being set up for the under 80 mill payroll next year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  I&#039;m actually good with that.  This year&#039;s payroll includes two highly paid players who are worth having (Ichiro and Beltre), some reasonably priced guys under club control and more dead weight than the Titanic.  If the $80 million doesn&#039;t include Vidro, Cairo, Washburn, Batista, Johjima and Yuni, there&#039;s a chance it would be a far better team than this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We’re just being set up for the under 80 mill payroll next year.</p></blockquote>
<p>  I&#8217;m actually good with that.  This year&#8217;s payroll includes two highly paid players who are worth having (Ichiro and Beltre), some reasonably priced guys under club control and more dead weight than the Titanic.  If the $80 million doesn&#8217;t include Vidro, Cairo, Washburn, Batista, Johjima and Yuni, there&#8217;s a chance it would be a far better team than this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Benne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  Pretty slow game thread, with Felix day and all.  On the other hand, it was also Dark Knight Day, which was an amazing movie.  Ledger friggin&#039; owned The Joker.


Oh yeah, and the Watchmen trailer was pretty awesome.  When it came on I raised my fist and cheered, and I was probably the only one in the theater who even heard about the comic, much less read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  Pretty slow game thread, with Felix day and all.  On the other hand, it was also Dark Knight Day, which was an amazing movie.  Ledger friggin&#8217; owned The Joker.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, and the Watchmen trailer was pretty awesome.  When it came on I raised my fist and cheered, and I was probably the only one in the theater who even heard about the comic, much less read it.</p>
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		<title>By: galaxieboi</title>
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		<dc:creator>galaxieboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh. KEWL.  I&#039;ve spelled it that way for as long as I can remember.  Like I spell grrrl.  Things like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. KEWL.  I&#8217;ve spelled it that way for as long as I can remember.  Like I spell grrrl.  Things like that.</p>
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		<title>By: metz123</title>
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		<dc:creator>metz123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and yet the pi printed an article last week how the m&#039;s were going to lose money this year and may have to make a cash call on owners for next season. I&#039;m supposed to have sympathy for the guys that were netting over 20 mill a year for the past decade? And the pi has the nerve to publish this as bad news? We&#039;re just being set up for the under 80 mill payroll next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yet the pi printed an article last week how the m&#8217;s were going to lose money this year and may have to make a cash call on owners for next season. I&#8217;m supposed to have sympathy for the guys that were netting over 20 mill a year for the past decade? And the pi has the nerve to publish this as bad news? We&#8217;re just being set up for the under 80 mill payroll next year.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Washburn has been felled by the dread flu-like symptoms, so Batista vs Sowers tomorrow. 

That will make for some scintillating Fox Baseball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Washburn has been felled by the dread flu-like symptoms, so Batista vs Sowers tomorrow. </p>
<p>That will make for some scintillating Fox Baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisK</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another 42,570 came to see two last-place teams, thanks to Felix Bobblehead Night.

This franchise will never stop minting money, no matter how bad the on-field product gets. You can thank the casual fan for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another 42,570 came to see two last-place teams, thanks to Felix Bobblehead Night.</p>
<p>This franchise will never stop minting money, no matter how bad the on-field product gets. You can thank the casual fan for that.</p>
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