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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/21/rainiers-game-thread-7/comment-page-1/#comment-291451</link>
		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we have two centerfielders on our roster (if you consider WFB a centerfielder) with no power and a rightfielder who obviously can play centerfield who also, let&#039;s face it, has no power, and we have a MLB ready rightfielder in Tacoma who can&#039;t play centerfield, I&#039;m sort of wondering if there isn&#039;t a ready solution to hand.

Or we could just DH him and release Turbo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we have two centerfielders on our roster (if you consider WFB a centerfielder) with no power and a rightfielder who obviously can play centerfield who also, let&#8217;s face it, has no power, and we have a MLB ready rightfielder in Tacoma who can&#8217;t play centerfield, I&#8217;m sort of wondering if there isn&#8217;t a ready solution to hand.</p>
<p>Or we could just DH him and release Turbo.</p>
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		<title>By: marc w</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/21/rainiers-game-thread-7/comment-page-1/#comment-291238</link>
		<dc:creator>marc w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he&#039;s a starting CF in the majors, that&#039;s a huge problem.   

But I&#039;d like him to play the odd game there so he could conceivably fill in v. lefties if the starter&#039;s hurt.   And, of course, there&#039;s the issue of trade value.  

I don&#039;t think we really disagree on his skills in CF (maybe a tiny bit, but that&#039;s not important).   I just think it&#039;s a decent idea to give him the odd game there - hell, it may even help with his routes/recognition simply because CF gets more chances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he&#8217;s a starting CF in the majors, that&#8217;s a huge problem.   </p>
<p>But I&#8217;d like him to play the odd game there so he could conceivably fill in v. lefties if the starter&#8217;s hurt.   And, of course, there&#8217;s the issue of trade value.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we really disagree on his skills in CF (maybe a tiny bit, but that&#8217;s not important).   I just think it&#8217;s a decent idea to give him the odd game there &#8211; hell, it may even help with his routes/recognition simply because CF gets more chances.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/21/rainiers-game-thread-7/comment-page-1/#comment-291237</link>
		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrm. Hokay. Impression I got was that he was more than a bit weak in CF, less so in the corners....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrm. Hokay. Impression I got was that he was more than a bit weak in CF, less so in the corners&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: marc w</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/21/rainiers-game-thread-7/comment-page-1/#comment-291236</link>
		<dc:creator>marc w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s played CF for years.   I don&#039;t see why not.   
You mean - can he play CF at the MLB level?   Eh, debatable.   I certainly don&#039;t have a problem with him playing CF in half his AAA games if he&#039;s able to give the M&#039;s another non-Bloomquist alternative in extra-inning games or against certain lefties.    

Look, most scouts don&#039;t think Mike Saunders will stay in CF either (and he&#039;s been playing some RF in Tacoma).   Should they move him off now, and never let him play there again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s played CF for years.   I don&#8217;t see why not.<br />
You mean &#8211; can he play CF at the MLB level?   Eh, debatable.   I certainly don&#8217;t have a problem with him playing CF in half his AAA games if he&#8217;s able to give the M&#8217;s another non-Bloomquist alternative in extra-inning games or against certain lefties.    </p>
<p>Look, most scouts don&#8217;t think Mike Saunders will stay in CF either (and he&#8217;s been playing some RF in Tacoma).   Should they move him off now, and never let him play there again?</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/21/rainiers-game-thread-7/comment-page-1/#comment-291234</link>
		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Second, if a player is capable of playing 2 positions,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do we really think Wlad is capable of playing centerfield?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Second, if a player is capable of playing 2 positions,</p></blockquote>
<p>Do we really think Wlad is capable of playing centerfield?</p>
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		<title>By: marc w</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/21/rainiers-game-thread-7/comment-page-1/#comment-291232</link>
		<dc:creator>marc w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think that&#039;s really why they&#039;re playing him there?

First, the M&#039;s are a hell of a lot less settled in CF than they were in March (insert standard lament for Adam Jones here).   Second, if a player is capable of playing 2 positions, why NOT have him keep practicing the more difficult defensive one?   Third, do you have any data to suggest that playing CF at times hurts a player&#039;s ability to transition to LF in the future?

I just don&#039;t get why this is a bad thing.   If he stays with the M&#039;s, he&#039;ll have value as a once-in-a-blue-moon CF.   If he goes, he&#039;s got more value.

Oh, and Matt - yeah, his FB touched 96 quite a few times in the outings I&#039;ve seen.   But he&#039;ll vacillate between a quick, easy inning (like today&#039;s) and just disaster appearances.   He&#039;s also never had the Ks to go with his velocity (except in a small AA sample).   He&#039;s old, he&#039;s never had success, but he&#039;s not terribly experienced and throws 96.   Sort of intriguing, maybe.    Just wondered if the M&#039;s had done anything to him, mechanics wise, or if the org sees him as anything more than filler at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think that&#8217;s really why they&#8217;re playing him there?</p>
<p>First, the M&#8217;s are a hell of a lot less settled in CF than they were in March (insert standard lament for Adam Jones here).   Second, if a player is capable of playing 2 positions, why NOT have him keep practicing the more difficult defensive one?   Third, do you have any data to suggest that playing CF at times hurts a player&#8217;s ability to transition to LF in the future?</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get why this is a bad thing.   If he stays with the M&#8217;s, he&#8217;ll have value as a once-in-a-blue-moon CF.   If he goes, he&#8217;s got more value.</p>
<p>Oh, and Matt &#8211; yeah, his FB touched 96 quite a few times in the outings I&#8217;ve seen.   But he&#8217;ll vacillate between a quick, easy inning (like today&#8217;s) and just disaster appearances.   He&#8217;s also never had the Ks to go with his velocity (except in a small AA sample).   He&#8217;s old, he&#8217;s never had success, but he&#8217;s not terribly experienced and throws 96.   Sort of intriguing, maybe.    Just wondered if the M&#8217;s had done anything to him, mechanics wise, or if the org sees him as anything more than filler at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why, oh, why, are they playing Wlad in CF?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because they have no clue on recognizing player talent and even less of a clue on how to develop it...

They really think the only way to find a spot on the big club for Wlad is to put him in CF...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why, oh, why, are they playing Wlad in CF?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because they have no clue on recognizing player talent and even less of a clue on how to develop it&#8230;</p>
<p>They really think the only way to find a spot on the big club for Wlad is to put him in CF&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Dragon</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/21/rainiers-game-thread-7/comment-page-1/#comment-291229</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt the Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dave - any thoughts on Mumba Rivera?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not Dave, obviously, and it&#039;s a while since I saw Rivera properly, but as I recall he&#039;s a fastball slider guy who sits in the mid 90s.

Both pitches are pretty good but he can have trouble locating at times and tends to leave the slider up a bit too much.

His stuff could translate to a useful bullpen piece if he&#039;s managed to improve his command and he can keep the ball in the park.

/wildly out of date info</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dave &#8211; any thoughts on Mumba Rivera?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not Dave, obviously, and it&#8217;s a while since I saw Rivera properly, but as I recall he&#8217;s a fastball slider guy who sits in the mid 90s.</p>
<p>Both pitches are pretty good but he can have trouble locating at times and tends to leave the slider up a bit too much.</p>
<p>His stuff could translate to a useful bullpen piece if he&#8217;s managed to improve his command and he can keep the ball in the park.</p>
<p>/wildly out of date info</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the implication was that the roster is insane, not that the column was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the implication was that the roster is insane, not that the column was.</p>
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		<title>By: JMHawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMHawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, oh, why, are they playing Wlad in CF?  Are they trying to pump up his trade value?  I&#039;m pretty sure Reed is better on both sides of the ball in CF, and will be next year as well, if they don&#039;t sign/trade/discover someone else to play there.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Talking of rosters and such, anybody read Steve Kelley’s piece on Mariner roster insanity?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I couldn&#039;t find anything to disagree with in that column.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, oh, why, are they playing Wlad in CF?  Are they trying to pump up his trade value?  I&#8217;m pretty sure Reed is better on both sides of the ball in CF, and will be next year as well, if they don&#8217;t sign/trade/discover someone else to play there.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Talking of rosters and such, anybody read Steve Kelley’s piece on Mariner roster insanity?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t find anything to disagree with in that column.</p>
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