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Man, DMZ, you seem so… sad.
Seeing Batista as the starter makes me sad. If only I had some SP Lager to wash away the sorrow…
LaHair at DH, Cairo at 1B. Again.
Ichiro!–RF–L
Reed–CF–L
Ibanez–LF–L
Beltre–3B–R
Lopez–2B–R
LaHair–DH–L?
CairogoddammitBavasi–1B–R
Joh–C–R
Princess Willie–SS–R
I think we’re all going to have more fun watching the waiver wire tonight, won’t we?
Such interesting combinations. The Marlins are eyeing Rhodes now, and Manny too. Maybe we’ll get some crazy multiplayer deal with Florida and Boston, where we give up Rhodes and Ibañez and get embarrassingly little for it. Like, Manny, without a contract extension.
That’s what I love about this time of year. The possibilities!
I highly doubt the Sox will trade Manny. They may let him walk in the offseason, but a midseason trade, in a heated division race? Not likely.
Trade deadlines fever…. catch it!
I like Batista games. It’s nice when you can catch a quick nap between pitches. Why rush things?
It’s going to be weird to see Pudge as a Yankee. The Tigers have something like $10M in deferred salary still to pay him; I wonder how long he’ll be cashing checks from Detroit? Or maybe the Yankees are helping out with that — Farnsworth seems like small potatoes in exchange.
I’m still trying to figure out what Detroit hopes to accomplish with this trade. Was it a simple salary dump, or do they have another catcher waiting in the wings?
So I guess Joh’s knee is okay?
Only game I’ve been to this year was Batista’s recent unsuccessful start against Cleveland at Safeco. I had a pretty good seat for viewing the plate and was shocked at how hard they were hitting the ball off him. It seemed a lot more ferocious than it looks on TV. He had decent velocity (although it never seemed to change!) but man they were really teeing off on him, even when they made outs. It actually made the game fun to watch. He didn’t last long but it wasn’t boring when he was in there. I actually felt kind of bad for him.
I dunno. I’m a Sox fan since birth, and none of my close friends want to keep him around. He’s a liability. Just last night, he kept a no-hitter alive by jogging calmly to first on a liner to third, and got booed. Again. But, it’s looking like it’ll just be between the Sox and the Fish: Manny for Hermida or Willingham, plus Ryan Tucker and Mike Stanton, says ESPN. I’d take it, if I were Theo.
But then, what would Florida have to offer us for Rhodes? The M’s had better hurry up and make a deal if they don’t want to be stuck with the lot they’ve got now.
So… where is Jeff Clement? Finger injury? Padilla = RHP, so the imaginary platoon doesn’t come into play…
He’s gotten, what, 1 start since he hurt his finger a week ago?
I’m listening to the Rangers’ radio feed, and the broadcaster had several slight pauses while reading the M’s lineup, as if he couldn’t fathom both Cairo and Boom Boom playing regularly. It was quite amusing.
I guess Yuni is in Riggelman’s doghouse after that botched squeeze last night.
Clement must still be injured. Even Riggs would start Clement over either Joh or Cairo.
Sabathia, Teixeira, and Harden are dog meat then, Blow?
I heard somewhere amid all this deadline ruckus that Sabathia might be a good fit for the M’s in the offseason.
Any thoughts on that?
I don’t necessarily care if it’s true, but merely if it’s something that would be good for the M’s. I think it’s a given Bedard is gone this winter or next and it’d be nice to have a power lefty to go with Felix during his prime years.
It might actually be money well spent. Especially if we can dump Washburn.
4 and 15: Last night on the game thread people were basically calling for Betancourt’s head. So if it’s not him, and it isn’t Bloomquist, who else is Riggleman going to trot out to SS? And it’s not like Bloomquist doesn’t contribute anything — at least he’s getting on base (actually, at the best rate on the team) and not swinging at the first pitch every at bat. Give the guy a break, huh?
Willie swung so hard that time the bat broke before it hit the ball.
That was the grittiest play I have ever seen.
Clement IS still injured and can’t throw the ball, so he’s not an option.
…and Kenji, never the fleetest afoot, looks even stiffer and slower on the basepaths today.
So I suppose now we’re going to have to listen to a lot of stuff about how Willie’s not really clutch? Did you see that? Crippled guy (who doesn’t even speak English) on second base, tie game, 2 out and WHAMMO! run scores. I know clutch when I see clutch.
For those that have TV, how bad is the rain?
I think Ichiro! can continue to do that (infield hit) for another ten years or so…
…can’t believe that there are those here in Latteland that feel so cavalier about our giving that up.
RAIN: Doesn’t look bad on tv.
[24: sprinkle is all I can see so far]
And I use the parenthetical as a sotto voce thing — if it looks like moderator stuff I’ll cut it out.
That’s what I figured. The Rangers’ radio guy makes it sound like a downpour.
Well, there went the no-hitter.
re: Clement, from the TNT the other day
“Last week, when a pop fly sailed over the backstop – and clipped Clement’s thumb as it was hooked in the screen – about half of his nail was torn off. Tender wasn’t exactly the word for it.
“Away from the field, I wore a little metal brace to protect it, because it was real easy to just bump into something going about your normal life,” he said.
How’d that feel.
“Oh, man,” he said.
Team trainers iced the thumb to mitigate swelling, trimmed and soaked the nail daily.”
Batista looks 71 years old, so Josh assumed he was still in the HR Derby.
I can’t say that the fly ball outs in the first inning gave me a lot of confidence in Mr Batista tonight.
per Drayer, when the media got to Washburn last night, he greeted them with, “Now that they know about my speed, I must be worth three prospects”
@12: Yeah, so far it looks like the Rangers are hitting Batista hard, too. They went 1-2-3 in the 1st inning but all three were hit hard. Then the homerun, then Bogs hits one or two really hard but foul.
This is looking to be a long night.
EDIT: Spoke too soon…2nd HR of the inning. Oh boy. And now a double.
Goodie.
There goes the one hitter.
Time to pull Batista. Oh wait, they shouldn’t have started him to begin with.
When I lived in Dallas a million years ago, there was no such thing as “sprinkle”. Even if there was, the drops were the size of cough drops. It was not at all unusual to get a couple of inches in an hour, and we once got something like 12 inches in 24 hours for two consecutive days. And in summer that rain is HOT on the skin. Never seen anything like it. Hope I never see it again.
and apparently, with reason.
Anyone notice the ad behind the plate for drivers (as in the golf clubs)? How fitting.
How long until Batista gets pulled with “soreness”?
I hope the guy who sews the names on the Braves jerseys gets paid by the letter. Catalanotto, Saltalamacchia — if one of them rips his, they’ll have to delay the game for three hours.
That interview might be worth another prospect.
Too bad Washburn isn’t pitching in this series .. we might have a chance..
Braves?
Intentionally walk Kinsler, please.
Nice catch Ibanez…not too shabby!
My oh my, we need to get Dave a teleprompter.
Ibanez plays stellar defense! Another prospect for him, too!
Nice catch Ibanez…not too shabby! Did you see that interested teams? He’s a cheetah out there.
I wonder if people on this site will actually give Ibanez credit for that catch? That was VERY nice!
Brain fart. Saltalamacchia used to be a Brave, my mind hasn’t caught up. What year is this, 2003?
according to Riggleman, Silva didn’t want to be taken out of the game yesterday, but (my interpretation here) Riggleman insisted, due to suckiness.
speaking of suckiness, on the way home I was forced to loiter in a bar doorway, out of the sightlines as they shut down the sidewalk to film a scene for a Major Motion Picture (ah, Hollywood! ah, Glamour!), which turned out to be not quite so Hollywood, or so glamourous– an indie black comedy written & directed by Bob Goldthwait, starring Robin Williams.
walkie83 said:
Too bad Washburn isn’t pitching in this series .. we might have a chance..
Hmm, rolling out a pronounced flyballer in Texas in summer does not strike me as a way to boost his perceived value. Now using him as a gritty, run scoring pinch runner? That was almost genius.
looking up at Dave in the booth during games, he is looking at the game, at his scorebook, and at the media guides, while peering over his bifocals. I’m not sure I could get my eyes focussed on the outfield in a hurry …
I know I’ll get bashed for this.. but the way Washburn has been pitching, he probably would have done better than Felix did a couple days ago… I know that is blaspheme .. since Felix is the god of ussmariner… (i still like felix)
there was a sign in the stands last night, with I [heart] Saltalamacchia, where the last half of ‘Saltalamacchia’ ran off the edge of the poster and was over-written with a big black ‘Y’
Wow, MSB…what did Shakes the Clown and Patch Adams ever do to you?
…and walkie83, the standard USS Mariner response to an exciting play in the field by Raul Ibanez would be that it would have been an average catch by an outfield with average defensive ability.
You don’t get much credit here for barely overcoming problems caused by your shortcomings.
Good Lord, this game is crawling.
pgreyy .. you guys are too arrogant for your own good. If Ibanez does something good.. you ignore it or make an excuse. If Felix does bad.. you ignore it or make an excuse. Simply willful ignorance because they oppose or contradict your personal beliefs.
yeah yeah.. i know, I’m the one who is ignorant.. whatever. Truly I am when it comes to a number of things .. but at least I am not purposely ignorant because it contradicts what I already believe.
Ibanez catches the balls he gets to just fine.
He just doesn’t get to very many, and that’s the problem.
Find one post where Dave or Derek have made excuses for Felix.
I think Dave was right when he told us to all settle in, as we were going to be here for a long while tonight.
and, man, it looks to be sweltering down there.
okay.. I know Batista wasn’t really that good last year.. but he wasn’t this bad either! What happened? It seems like he is throwing a softball up there every time he takes the mound.
FWIW the Washburn to NYY trade is apparently dead (per http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=MLB&filter_teams=SEA)
A quick look at his Fangraphs page tells me this: his walk rate and home run rate are both up significantly, and a lower LOB% means that he’s not getting as lucky as he was last year.
In other words: Batista’s falling off a cliff.
Benne .. no need, they have others that can do that for them. Don’t get me wrong, I really like this site. I think everyone has some really good and interesting opinions about things. However, I also think a lot of people here are blind to some evidence out there based on their prejudice. Not really that big of a deal .. since everyone is in some way. I just like to refute it sometimes.
Ichiro just popped up .. we still have a chance to trade him. Pull the trigger! hehe
It would help if you did a better job.
Using facts and data would help.
nice catch Ichiro! Where was that last week when you could have won the game?!
[this is not a board]
[also, ponies]
Ichiro!
Yes, of course, the problem is the people associated with USS Mariner.
I’m only an occasional commenter here, certainly not worthy of being included in the “you guys” category, but even in my occasionality, I’ve gone on record here as being an Ibanez fan…
But, being a fan doesn’t change the truth.
As someone who has grown to appreciate the USS Mariner way of looking at baseball through definable and predictive metrics, I have to accept that Raul Ibanez is a below average fielder with diminishing skills–because that’s what’s true.
It doesn’t mean that I’m unhappy that Raul made that catch…but I’d be happier if he was our DH and not costing us runs and wins in the field.
It makes no sense to shake your fist at the clouds here, walkie83…either you understand and appreciate how things are analyzed here at USS Mariner or you’ll have a stroke trying to shout at us how gritty Willie Boom-Boom is and how important chemistry is in roster development–and that won’t make ANYONE happy.
One catch doesn’t make someone a good fielder, one hit doesn’t make someone a clutch hitter…that’s the lesson that USS Mariner would teach all of us.
Ignoring that this is the predominant message of this site and choosing to try to convince everyone here that they’re wrong about how they view the game…that’s, at best, a fool’s gambit.
There is a difference between belief and understanding based on data. Raul does not get to many balls in the outfield, far fewer than other left fielders. That is a fact. We have actual data we can use to learn that. It doesn’t matter what I believe, Raul is a slow runner who is unable to get to balls that other fielders would turn into outs.
That is a sweet catch, tough to jump off that leg running back that way.
I’d still like to know what evidence you are talking about.
walkie83 – I thought a deeper analysis of how Washburn is pitching since May suggests that he’s notching K’s, BB’s, and flyballs at about the same rate whilst his BABIP has declined significantly. (Forgive me, this is just off the top of my head – I can’t recall the HR/fly ratio, or changes in his LOB%).
He was never as bad as he looked early in the season – he was rather unlucky; and he’s not as good as he has looked for the last month – he’s a bit lucky.
Dave and Derek might seem a bit brusque to you, but they genuinely know a lot more about the game – in particular which evidence is actually indicative of player skill and predictive of future results – than most mainstream analysts. (Or at least more than most mainstream commentators let on).
I agree, if the M’s had a better team, I’d want Ibanez at DH. However, the M’s absolutely suck and there aren’t a lot of people who can replace him in LF… would you rather have Willie and Reed in there at the same time? Maybe the defense would be better.. but the offense would suck! And don’t say we should have Wladimir Balentien up here. He sucks at the ML level, and needs more work in AAA first.
However, I know the season is over and we should be playing the Seattle Rainiers .. but we all know that won’t happen with this management.
so, our 4th-hitting 3B has more steals than our SS ….
I know this team isn’t that fun to watch, but tone check, guys. Come on.
It’s days like this that make me want to not give Ibanez credit. I don’t even know how many times we’ve lauded his bat, talked about how the M’s correctly saw a great fit for his swing in Safeco when we were skeptical, discussed how to make the most of his skills — and yet the stream of drive-by “you hate Ibanez and never recognize anything he does right” continues forever.
Why bother? Why not call him “Sluggo the Superfielder” and speculate on the moral fiber of his mom? If we’re going to get the reputation, why not have some fun at it?
Rauuuuuul Ibanez, cheetah on the base paths.
the evidence I’m talking about is right before your eyes .. when you actually watch a game. Sometimes you guys get so caught up in all these crazy numbers that you are blind to what is actually taking place.
oh.. and I never said I knew more than Dave or Derek. Just because I don’t spend hours a day looking at the new generation of statistics that people have made, doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have an opinion.
The truth is, luck does come into play in this game. That is why baseball is so unpredictable. That is why the Rockies made it to the world series last year. Numbers only mean so much ..
so yeah, Washburn has been lucky lately .. but the luck seems to be lasting quite a long time. If I were in the playoffs, I’d rather have a mediocre pitcher who has had a lot of luck lately – making him look like an ace, rather than an ace who has been pitching mediocre baseball lately.
I watch every game, dude. I’m at them or I’m watching them. So stuff the superiority.
When I watch games, I see a left fielder who might as well have one ankle chained to a post in left field, because he’s got about a 30′ range in any direction.
There’s the truth in that.
As if this game weren’t long enough…now we get to watch grounds keeping escapades.
You don’t understand luck, do you? You’re describing a variant on the Gambler’s Fallacy here.
oh.. btw, I wasn’t at all referring to Felix when I said “an ace who has been pitching mediocre baseball lately” … I was just making a point.
What is the grounds crew doing at home?
Sluggo the Superfielder complained it was hard to get out of the batter’s box and they didn’t want to break the news that he’s slow and immobile to him.
Please. You don’t think Dave and DMZ haven’t heard this a hundred times before?
The truth is, THAT ISN’T EVIDENCE. Those are observations, but those are subject to memory manipulation, forgotten plays and unnoticed behavior (not to mention obrserver’s bias).
Turn it around. ARE YOU AT ALL THE GAMES? I mean, physically, not watching it on TV. If not, you DON’T have any evidence, because you’re relying on filtered perceptions.
Sadly, I don’t think I have my picture of Ibanez’s fielding area anymore.
The good news is, this is only double the time it takes between Batista pitches.
Jeff: Here, I’ll draw Sluggo’s fielding area for you:
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You’re welcome.
“Steve Trachsel duels Miguel Batista: Local suicide rate jumps 20% in ten-hour dirge”
Well, you saw the picture. It was pretty much him, standing in that!
Hardly what I saw today. Yes, he isn’t the fastest guy in the league.. but he still made a great catch.
…and since when has having different opinions meant superiority? I just have a different opinion than you on some things. That doesn’t mean I think I know more than you. Just because I don’t eat up everything you say as absolute fact doesn’t mean I don’t respect your opinion. Do you really want everyone on this site to follow in line with everything you say? Honestly, I think having people with different opinions will actually help strengthen your argument.
I understand you being upset, though.. as I also try to watch a number of games. It is quite depressing…
“Sluggo the Superfielder.” I like that.
HA! Very nice!
I find it hard to believe that you, as reportedly a regular reader of USSM, fail to grasp the concept of small sample size. One good play does not cancel out the many, many comical miscues Raul has committed out there.
Seriously, you think the Rockies were lucky last year?
You don’t think that having been scored more runs relative to the runs they gave up than any other NL team would suggest they were exactly who would be expected to play iun the World Series?
Unless you mean they’re lucky they were in the NL rather than in the AL where they’d have been only the fourth best team.
Let me repeat. THAT ISN’T EVIDENCE.
You’re seeing a game filtered through camerawork. You don’t see the jumps he takes. You can’t compare jumps taken by different outfielders in the field.
And Derek and Dave have opinions AND data backing up those opinions. Not accepting that data doesn’t invalidate that data.
Defense *clap* *clap* Defense *clap* *clap* GRITTY CUT OFF THROW!
The one time he didn’t need to, Kenji actually blocked the plate.
I never said he was the best .. or even a good outfielder. I just said that he often doesn’t get ANY credit for the good things that he actually does. I know he makes plenty of mistakes out there.. or that he just doesn’t have the ability to make certain plays. However, when he shows 100% effort and does what he is capable of, I can’t help but applaud him.
If your opinion doesn’t include Raul Ibanez having probably the worst range of any starting left fielder in baseball, then it’s time to rethink your opinion.
Our tools to evaluate defense are rudimentary, but we can tell the extremes of the spectrum pretty reliably.
As a left fielder Raul Ibanez is a disaster, particularly in Safeco.
He makes nice defensive plays about as often as Willie Bloomquist gets extra base hits, so your opinion of him shouldn’t change when that happens.
Matt,
The Rockies were lucky because they got hot at the right time. That is how they swept the NL in the playoffs. They weren’t THAT talented…
It’s the attitude that other people don’t watch games, don’t see things that are obvious, and are stat-headed morons who don’t look up from their monitors while presumably naked nymphs frolic in fields IF ONLY THEY WOULD GO PLAY WITH THEM WHYYYYY NERDS WHYYYY
You’re talking about fanboys, people mindless repeating opinions, and living in the dark of intentional ignorance, and you respect the opinions?
Funny way of showing it.
If our history of commentary doesn’t speak for itself, I don’t know what would.
It will? Honestly? Actually? Wow. And all this time I’d just been writing these arguments in my parents’ basement by the light of a monitor, never discussing them with anyone, but posting them to the world and then quickly running off to microwave a burrito before forming my next argument.
Truly, this is a revelation. Perhaps next you’ll advise me to take up some kind of physical activity.
Great play at home!
Raul to Willie to Joh…
Hey walkie83,
I think it’s best if you sit this one out. You’re not really getting anywhere with your argument and you’re missing Raul make awesome throws to WFB. Did I mention he is cheetah like tonight? Yeah, that means good…..tonight.
Your parents must have a pretty big basement if we all fit in there, Derek.
And if I sound particularly peevish, it’s because by my count you’re the 5,000th person to come to USSM and start this song and dance.
DMZ, I really think you should go outside and get some exercise.
So, I’m listening to a Giants/Nationals game last week–and yes, that match up made for a tedious series–and Paul Lo Duca’s been moved to left field/first base.
On one attempt in left field, Jon Miller said, “He ran after that like a catcher.”
And naturally, I thought of Ibanez.
Isn’t he our forth catcher? Or is it Willie?
Riggleman was impressed that LaHair can hit fastballs, and that is his basis for thinking he can stay in the bigs a long time?
I hate every person employed by this team.
And put on some pants while you’re at it, and get a girlfriend, nerd.
Mr. La Hair,
Please slide into second base harder next time to break up the double play, oh wait…Johjima was running, nevermind.
Rangers radio guy: “Boy, Johjima is slow!”
Um, thanks for reminding me.
I didn’t miss Raul’s throw to Willie .. I just didn’t think it was worth commenting on.. as a major leaguer should make that throw every time. The whole thing was a very nice play, though!
Wow, Joh is slow. He reminds me of a 47 year old who had a hamstring injury that was on my softball team this year…
DMZ .. you don’t like dancing?
Derek, enough with the overestimations, dude. Seriously.
I have the spreadsheet right here in front of me, and he is only # 3,762.
HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS PANTLESS OMG WTF BBQ
Silva just looked at those big circles running down the third base line and thought “Skittles are bigger in Texas, awesome”.
You left your webcam on.
Dear mods, my apologies for feeding the trolls…
So, I’m to presume from this you believe that the order of their 90 wins was relevant somehow? Because their win-loss record was deflated by poor luck coming into September they were lucky?
I’m not entirely sure I can follow your unique brand of logic, but over 162 games they had the NL’s expected best record based on their runs scored and allowed. They were actually unlucky to finish as the wildcard rather than win their division outright.
Maybe Silva can go on the weight loss program that Felix went on a couple years ago…
Then again.. Silva is lazy…
Matt,
I never said they were bad .. wow you are taking this personal. Are you from CO?
All I said was they were lucky because they got hot at the right time. Sure, they earned the number of wins they got.. blah blah blah. I don’t care. The M’s won 116 games in 2001 and couldn’t make it to the world series. It doesn’t mean it is because they weren’t the best team in the league that year, it just means that baseball is unpredictable and in the playoffs, anyone can beat anyone.. and luck is a factor. If the Rockies won all those games in a row early in the season .. and it regressed to the mean later in the year .. they likely would not have had the same success. They were “lucky” in the sense that they got on that streak at the right time!
Dammit Joh.
Kenji+Fork=Done
Wow, I hope this isn’t going to be what game threads are like for the rest of the season.
So….no ponies tonight?
how batista made it this far.. I’ll never know..
G.R.I.T
With how bad Willie is .. at least he puts his full effort in every play. He is hustling every time to first.
So is Vasquez the worst 3B in the world or what?
Neither team wants to win this game.
Here comes Rauuuuuuul. I hope walkie83 is here to witness the awesomeness.
okay, if the M’s don’t do anything here…
Willie takes an infield hit as does Ichiro!
Reed takes a hit and Rauuuul comes up with no outs bases loaded.
Hmmmmmmmm!
Darn.
YES, MY FAVORITE PLAYER IS UP!!!
Only the M’s could load the bases without hitting the ball out of the infield.
Come on Sluggo, put it to it
damn, that was the perfect time to run over the catcher!!
How… how can that happen?
Boom-boom should have lowered the shoulder.
Not taking anything personally, and I’m a Cubs fan with a side order of affection for the M’s.
I think I’ll refrain from pushing this senseless sidebar further. Sorry for the digression.
I was thinking, even a double play gets us a run.
But not that sort of double play.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO……NOT MY BOOM BOOM!!
That may have been the worst slide I have ever seen Willie perform. He started it about 3 steps up the line.
The Mariners should publish a book.
“10 Ways to Blow a Bases Loaded No Out Situation in Three Easy Steps.”
This has been another fine example of your 2008 Seattle Mariners.
Do they have any stats on how many times a team will refuse to plow over the catcher when they have the chance? I don’t see every game, but it seems to me like the M’s do whatever they can to avoid the catcher when the plate is blocked. I know Ibanez, my favorite player, lowered his shoulder a little bit earlier in the game .. but I swear the M’s don’t have any guts when it comes to that stuff. It is very sad. Man I can’t wait till football season…
Good god that was just fugly.
[OT: Did anyone see the story about Julio Mateo passing counterfeit bills?]
What was the big delay over?
PMC:
Dirt.
Because…they want to avoid injury?
I guess, Benne. Maybe it makes sense in a season like this .. but it is pretty frustrating that players won’t do whatever it takes to win.
Big round of applause for Bad-tista going 6 IP with only 3 runs, 2 earned, against this crazy awesome lineup, and away at that. Clap, clap, clap…
I was following the game on gamecast and my computer froze after that half inning. Even my computer is disgusted.
On another topic,
I must say that I am pretty shocked that the M’s haven’t made any moves yet. I hope I wake up tomorrow morning and see that Rhodes and Washburn are both gone.
Wow that inning went by fast. Oh.. it is because Batista doesn’t have to catch his breath between every pitch.
The 2008 Seattle Mariners – pony killers.
was that an 85 mph fastball from Eddie? How does he have a .194 opponents batting average? He must really be hitting his spots…
Hola El Guapo!
Maybe this has been broached before, but I’d love to see some suggestions for what the starting lineup/pitching set-up would look like for the rest of the year if we had our druthers (assuming no trades take place)?
One man’s opinion:
1-Ichiro!-CF
2-Lopez-2B
3-Ibanez-DH
4-Beltre-3B
5-Clement-C
6-Balentien-LF
7-Reed-RF
8-LaHair-1B
9-Bloomquist-SS
SP-Hernandez
SP-Bedard (in a week or two or whenever he feels like pitching again)
SP-Washburn
SP-Morrow (after short demotion to stretch his outings out)
SP-Rowland-Smith
Anyone else?
Unfortunately they won’t do that lineup, because they are paying Silva and Batista way too much money to not have them in the starting 5.. even though they suck horribly. That is M’s management for ya…
sweet! My last chance to see Rhodes as a mariner!! Hey, where are his earrings?
The Dodgers are looking for a shortstop and Yuni is sitting. Coincidence? I hope not.
Contrary to my earlier assertions, the Marlins are in serious talks for Manny. Names being floated around include Jeremy Hermida and Josh Willingham. Color me surprised.
I certainly wouldn’t give up any good prospects for Manny…
pregame Shannon was laughing that she’d read that the Cubs have been in the market for more pitching, when Lou sat up and (oh what a shocker) decided he needed another bat, and that rumor had it that bat might be Raul– which had reminded her that Lou helped move Raul off the Ms and on to KC, and about a year later was reputed to have told the FO at the deadline that he needed a bat, you know, like that Ibanez kid.
Rhodes is not helping the “trade Rhodes” cause tonight.
true.. but just like Washburn’s game the past week .. I don’t think tonight will change his value either way..
And he pronounced it “Ih-buh-nez.”
Close but no cigar!
AR not happy with that call!
Come on Rhodes, you’re better than this. You know what happens if he gets out of this inning with no runs given up? Yeah that’s right, another prospect!
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You mean the ump. Arthur is getting squeezed big time.
Michael Young, broken finger and all, gets the job done.
shoulda wore his earrings…
Thank you Ichiro for moving over to right field… way to help this team out!
I think I’m going to cry now.
That has to be the best way for any pitcher to end his tenure with a team! haha! I’m gonna miss him..
Your 2008 Mariners — Ev’ry Night More Crazy Shit!
Joh looks back at him like duh, WTF!
55 to go!
Vidro to PH… game is over…
sadly, with the M’s team.. I can’t blame them for having him PH.
Why not steal?
… oh, of course …. it wouldn’t have mattered.
yuck.
doesn’t really matter.. but why on earth did Ichiro not steal there? That was the perfect time for one!
Turbo being Turbo..
The Yahoo! Sports game page “Top Batter” for Seattle tonight is Jeremy Reed (2-3, 1 RBI). Seems strange, considering they just PH’d for him in the ninth with the game on the line, with one of the worst hitters in all of MLB. I can’t tell you how many WTF moments I’ve had this year just looking at the box scores from M’s games. Add another to the list…
Zero- Because Ibanez and Ichiro are the only lefties on the whole roster allowed to hit lefties at any time… ever. They are gritty.
As bad as we are, the Nationals awfulness knows no bounds.
We occasionally pull one out… the Nationals… yeesh…
sad that with a team this bad, they still can’t even be #1 in Pathetic.
sweet! My last chance to see Rhodes as a mariner!! Hey, where are his earrings?
If you’d been paying half as much attention to games as you’ve claimed you are, you would’ve noticed he wasn’t wearing them in any of the 35 games he’s appeared in this year.
186: If you’ve been paying enough attention to make that statement with confidence, you, as uma thurman said, need to get a life.
Sorry, Sharon Stone. Missed the edit limit.
Sharon Stone?
I associate that with William Shatner.
And, backing up joser, there were reports on FSN and in the local papers about the whole earrings situation when Arthur came back…so, it’s not like joser has just been staring at Arthur’s lobes every night…
…of course it’s not like we know for certain that joser hasn’t been, either…
For God sakes, if we can’t win a game, could we at least trade someone? I mean, just to do something worth talking about?
JMH- When they lose just think of it as them fighting for Strasburg. They are trying to improve themselves by getting his cheap years.
Was this game as —— up as it seems? I’m glad that I don’t have the DISH package otherwise my TV would have made it to the middle of I-80 in Reno during rush hour.
Methinks that we need to blow up this team with the exceptions of Ichiro!, Felix, Morrow and Dickey.