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		<title>By: dpseadvr</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/31/and-thats-it/comment-page-2/#comment-294048</link>
		<dc:creator>dpseadvr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24 Bratman.  Ha ha ha ha!!! Thanks for the link, that really put a smile on my face!  As for Washburn, I&#039;ve read some posts on here about &#039;sunken costs&#039;, is $10 million next year too much for what he gives?  With the state of pitching in the majors the last few years and contracts for some of these pitchers, I&#039;m thinking no... but if somebody explains why I&#039;m wrong I&#039;d be happy to hear it, I&#039;d rather get educated than assume anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24 Bratman.  Ha ha ha ha!!! Thanks for the link, that really put a smile on my face!  As for Washburn, I&#8217;ve read some posts on here about &#8217;sunken costs&#8217;, is $10 million next year too much for what he gives?  With the state of pitching in the majors the last few years and contracts for some of these pitchers, I&#8217;m thinking no&#8230; but if somebody explains why I&#8217;m wrong I&#8217;d be happy to hear it, I&#8217;d rather get educated than assume anything.</p>
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		<title>By: zeke5123</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/31/and-thats-it/comment-page-2/#comment-294019</link>
		<dc:creator>zeke5123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, all this doom and gloom is uncalled for. We were not the losers of the deadline. That would be the dodgers. But on top of that, Washburn will still be moved. And, hopefully we get two draft picks for Ibanez. The only bad thing is, this doesn&#039;t open up a spot for Wlad unless they plan on DH Raul some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, all this doom and gloom is uncalled for. We were not the losers of the deadline. That would be the dodgers. But on top of that, Washburn will still be moved. And, hopefully we get two draft picks for Ibanez. The only bad thing is, this doesn&#8217;t open up a spot for Wlad unless they plan on DH Raul some.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with Stark at all really. Ibanez had a high cost because we expect to get two draft picks for him by letting him walk. As for Washburn if the only thing we want to do is cut his salary off the book for next season the team has an entire month to still trade him.

Beltre is undervalued and I don&#039;t know what other conversations were in place but we didn&#039;t hear anything about anyone wanting the other players on the team. The reality is the majority of our dead weight is nothing anybody wants.

I&#039;m curious what the NY fans are going to think about the lack of a Washburn deal if they get swept by the Angels...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with Stark at all really. Ibanez had a high cost because we expect to get two draft picks for him by letting him walk. As for Washburn if the only thing we want to do is cut his salary off the book for next season the team has an entire month to still trade him.</p>
<p>Beltre is undervalued and I don&#8217;t know what other conversations were in place but we didn&#8217;t hear anything about anyone wanting the other players on the team. The reality is the majority of our dead weight is nothing anybody wants.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious what the NY fans are going to think about the lack of a Washburn deal if they get swept by the Angels&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: martini</title>
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		<dc:creator>martini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Stark. This was somewhat of a lost opportunity, although we will certainly see players moved in the coming months (probably after the season). 

I hope they get a real GM in there asap (someone from the outside) to initiate the rebuilding process. Lee doesn&#039;t appear to have the skills or experience to do the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Stark. This was somewhat of a lost opportunity, although we will certainly see players moved in the coming months (probably after the season). </p>
<p>I hope they get a real GM in there asap (someone from the outside) to initiate the rebuilding process. Lee doesn&#8217;t appear to have the skills or experience to do the job.</p>
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		<title>By: astroboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>astroboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stark about the M&#039;s on ESPN.com &lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&amp;id=3513865&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Scroll to the bottom. Not too kind words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stark about the M&#8217;s on ESPN.com <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&amp;id=3513865" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Scroll to the bottom. Not too kind words.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ll agree with Gammons on his bleak 4-5 years for the M’s. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

it could be-- but it has little to do with today&#039;s deals or non-deals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’ll agree with Gammons on his bleak 4-5 years for the M’s. </p></blockquote>
<p>it could be&#8211; but it has little to do with today&#8217;s deals or non-deals.</p>
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		<title>By: jamest</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty convinced that past Mariner idiocy caused every potential trade partner to low-ball the Mariners on their trade offers.

I mean, c&#039;mon, this is still the same front office who made the Bedard trade, signed Richie Sexson, etc. etc.  Until we have a new GM nobody is going to offer us value for value.  

Pelekoudas was lucky to get Hernandez from the Marlins.  Even if we had shipped off Washburn and Ibanez for some prospects, I wouldn&#039;t be satisfied.  That kind of relief will only come when a new GM shows me something in the way of logical long term organizational thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty convinced that past Mariner idiocy caused every potential trade partner to low-ball the Mariners on their trade offers.</p>
<p>I mean, c&#8217;mon, this is still the same front office who made the Bedard trade, signed Richie Sexson, etc. etc.  Until we have a new GM nobody is going to offer us value for value.  </p>
<p>Pelekoudas was lucky to get Hernandez from the Marlins.  Even if we had shipped off Washburn and Ibanez for some prospects, I wouldn&#8217;t be satisfied.  That kind of relief will only come when a new GM shows me something in the way of logical long term organizational thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: great gonzalez</title>
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		<dc:creator>great gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I can’t imagine it gets any higher for Bloomquist than right now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hm... anyone know enough about the free agent rankings to guess whether Bloomquist would classify as a Type B?  I think a middling pick that might work out is better than a middling pick that hasn&#039;t worked out, which is what I&#039;d imagine the M&#039;s would get in trade for Bloomquist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I can’t imagine it gets any higher for Bloomquist than right now.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hm&#8230; anyone know enough about the free agent rankings to guess whether Bloomquist would classify as a Type B?  I think a middling pick that might work out is better than a middling pick that hasn&#8217;t worked out, which is what I&#8217;d imagine the M&#8217;s would get in trade for Bloomquist.</p>
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		<title>By: Bremerton guy</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/31/and-thats-it/comment-page-2/#comment-293910</link>
		<dc:creator>Bremerton guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we&#039;re talking trades (and Bloomquist) here, Bloomquist has indicated his intention to test the free market waters himself at the end of this year, believing his skill set is better suited to the National League and because he feels he hasn&#039;t gotten a fair shake at a starting job with the Mariners.  Does he have any trade value to an NL contender that may be looking for a Mark McLemore kind of player for the stretch run?  Would any team claim him on waivers if the M&#039;s try to trade him now?  I don&#039;t expect that he would net much of a return, but isn&#039;t any return greater than if he signs as a free agent at the end of the season somewhere else?  And if the theory is you&#039;re supposed to sell high, I can&#039;t imagine it gets any higher for Bloomquist than right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we&#8217;re talking trades (and Bloomquist) here, Bloomquist has indicated his intention to test the free market waters himself at the end of this year, believing his skill set is better suited to the National League and because he feels he hasn&#8217;t gotten a fair shake at a starting job with the Mariners.  Does he have any trade value to an NL contender that may be looking for a Mark McLemore kind of player for the stretch run?  Would any team claim him on waivers if the M&#8217;s try to trade him now?  I don&#8217;t expect that he would net much of a return, but isn&#8217;t any return greater than if he signs as a free agent at the end of the season somewhere else?  And if the theory is you&#8217;re supposed to sell high, I can&#8217;t imagine it gets any higher for Bloomquist than right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? No. Cut it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? No. Cut it out.</p>
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