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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/31/game-108-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-2/#comment-294036</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in 2004 the New Yorker had an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/05/17/040517fa_fact1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; on the knuckler that had this to say about atmospheric conditions:
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The weather—artificial or real—comes up frequently, too. Most knucklers agree that wind in the face is good (anything to add resistance and turbulence), while wind blowing from behind spells doom. Heat and humidity are welcome, unless you’re pitching in a dome; for whatever reason, the consensus seems to be that central air-conditioning can work wonders. Boston’s Doug Mirabelli, who catches Wakefield exclusively (knucklers often get their own personal backstops), has observed that the SkyDome in Toronto causes an extra hiccup per pitch. And in the Astrodome in the seventies, conspiracy theorists will swear, the temperature was always suspiciously cool—the A.C. set to full blast—on days when Joe Niekro was starting for the home team.
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(If you read all the way to the end, Dickey makes something of a surprise appearance.)

If you&#039;re really interested in the physics, there&#039;s a pretty thorough explanation &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oddball-mall.com/knuckleball/mego.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in 2004 the New Yorker had an <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/05/17/040517fa_fact1" rel="nofollow">article</a> on the knuckler that had this to say about atmospheric conditions:</p>
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The weather—artificial or real—comes up frequently, too. Most knucklers agree that wind in the face is good (anything to add resistance and turbulence), while wind blowing from behind spells doom. Heat and humidity are welcome, unless you’re pitching in a dome; for whatever reason, the consensus seems to be that central air-conditioning can work wonders. Boston’s Doug Mirabelli, who catches Wakefield exclusively (knucklers often get their own personal backstops), has observed that the SkyDome in Toronto causes an extra hiccup per pitch. And in the Astrodome in the seventies, conspiracy theorists will swear, the temperature was always suspiciously cool—the A.C. set to full blast—on days when Joe Niekro was starting for the home team.
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<p>(If you read all the way to the end, Dickey makes something of a surprise appearance.)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re really interested in the physics, there&#8217;s a pretty thorough explanation <a href="http://www.oddball-mall.com/knuckleball/mego.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Phightin Phils</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phightin Phils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;hincandenza &lt;/em&gt;-- makes sense...and enjoyed your posts :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>hincandenza </em>&#8211; makes sense&#8230;and enjoyed your posts <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: hincandenza</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/31/game-108-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-2/#comment-293994</link>
		<dc:creator>hincandenza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Phightin&#039; Phils:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;hincandenza — hotter air is less dense. PV = nRT.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh man, how embarassing (I hope my high school chemistry teacher isn&#039;t reading this game thread!).  I think I was confusing &lt;i&gt;pressure&lt;/i&gt; with density; now that you mention ol&#039; PV = nRT, it&#039;s all coming back to me.  

Which makes sense- as the temperature increases the volume isn&#039;t limited so that same quantity of air will expand, making it less dense on the playing field- this leads to longer fly balls, and probably less break on pitches.  Which &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; fit the data with Wakefield; in higher temperatures, the air is less dense, and thus a pitcher relying on breaking stuff- in particular the knuckleball- will be adversely affected.  There will be less air to buffet the ball, it will be &#039;flatter&#039;, and be teed off on more.  Those climate controlled stadiums ensure that his knuckler is more consistent throughout the game, while the lack of real wind or varying temperature means that he&#039;ll have greater control in throwing strikes with the knuckler.

Which brings us to Dickey; ESPN Page 2 had &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/080318&amp;sportCat=mlb&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; interesting article a few weeks ago, where Jim Caple tried to catch a Dickey knuckleball.  Dickey throws a harder knuckler than Wakefield; at the risk of embarassing myself a second time, wouldn&#039;t it make sense that the higher the temperature, the less the knuckler knuckles- unless you add velocity?  So Wakefield sticking to that 65mph knuckler has a flatter pitch in hot weather, but Dickey&#039;s faster knuckler is perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>Phightin&#8217; Phils:</b> <i>hincandenza — hotter air is less dense. PV = nRT.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Oh man, how embarassing (I hope my high school chemistry teacher isn&#8217;t reading this game thread!).  I think I was confusing <i>pressure</i> with density; now that you mention ol&#8217; PV = nRT, it&#8217;s all coming back to me.  </p>
<p>Which makes sense- as the temperature increases the volume isn&#8217;t limited so that same quantity of air will expand, making it less dense on the playing field- this leads to longer fly balls, and probably less break on pitches.  Which <i>does</i> fit the data with Wakefield; in higher temperatures, the air is less dense, and thus a pitcher relying on breaking stuff- in particular the knuckleball- will be adversely affected.  There will be less air to buffet the ball, it will be &#8216;flatter&#8217;, and be teed off on more.  Those climate controlled stadiums ensure that his knuckler is more consistent throughout the game, while the lack of real wind or varying temperature means that he&#8217;ll have greater control in throwing strikes with the knuckler.</p>
<p>Which brings us to Dickey; ESPN Page 2 had <b><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/080318&amp;sportCat=mlb" rel="nofollow">this</a></b> interesting article a few weeks ago, where Jim Caple tried to catch a Dickey knuckleball.  Dickey throws a harder knuckler than Wakefield; at the risk of embarassing myself a second time, wouldn&#8217;t it make sense that the higher the temperature, the less the knuckler knuckles- unless you add velocity?  So Wakefield sticking to that 65mph knuckler has a flatter pitch in hot weather, but Dickey&#8217;s faster knuckler is perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wonder if Dickey has called Phil Neikro yet? Niehaus said he passed Phil&#039;s business card along to Dickey after the HOF trip ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wonder if Dickey has called Phil Neikro yet? Niehaus said he passed Phil&#8217;s business card along to Dickey after the HOF trip &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;JJ is not 2007 JJ. That’s why trading him at the deadline would have been a good move. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

so why would someone want him if he is not 2007 JJ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>JJ is not 2007 JJ. That’s why trading him at the deadline would have been a good move. </p></blockquote>
<p>so why would someone want him if he is not 2007 JJ?</p>
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		<title>By: PaulMolitorCocktail</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulMolitorCocktail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, who is R. A. Hough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, who is R. A. Hough?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be residual funk. Right now he&#039;s in George Sherrill spring training mode. And trading him when his value was this depressed would have been a disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be residual funk. Right now he&#8217;s in George Sherrill spring training mode. And trading him when his value was this depressed would have been a disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: abender20</title>
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		<dc:creator>abender20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ is not 2007 JJ. That&#039;s why trading him at the deadline would have been a good move. The more chance he has to pitch, the more he will either further expose himself or prove that his latest bout of poor pitching is residual funk from being hurt. Let&#039;s hope its the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ is not 2007 JJ. That&#8217;s why trading him at the deadline would have been a good move. The more chance he has to pitch, the more he will either further expose himself or prove that his latest bout of poor pitching is residual funk from being hurt. Let&#8217;s hope its the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: dpseadvr</title>
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		<dc:creator>dpseadvr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammit dammit dammit.  Your site had a great article on the value of a closer in a 3 run game situation, which did a lot to confirm my disliking of the hype closers get. But JJ... c&#039;mon already.  What&#039;s going on with him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit dammit dammit.  Your site had a great article on the value of a closer in a 3 run game situation, which did a lot to confirm my disliking of the hype closers get. But JJ&#8230; c&#8217;mon already.  What&#8217;s going on with him?</p>
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		<title>By: scott19</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Mark Lowe was doing his best Jose Mesa impersonation out there tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Mark Lowe was doing his best Jose Mesa impersonation out there tonight.</p>
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