Washburn cleared, or did not clear, or was not placed on, waivers
I’ve resisted posting anything because there’s no news, but this keeps coming up, soo….
If Washburn was not put on waivers:
- He should be
If Washburn was put on waivers:
- He cleared (somewhat vague Times report, PI report)
- The White Sox claimed him
- The Yankees claimed him
Though the White Sox rumors seem to have died out quickly, and since New York leaks like a sieve, that seems unlikely as well.
People who know Washburn’s waiver status for sure:
- MLB teams
- MLB
- Washburn and his agent, probably
That said, we should probably figure he’s cleared. Which would mean, interestingly enough, that teams didn’t want to take on the salary entirely or that they wouldn’t be able to make a deal with the M’s during the available window.
Which is pretty crazy, if you think about it, and a disconcerting indication that maybe the M’s hurt themselves in the deadline negotiations more than was immediately apparent.
Update: Rosenthal at Fox Sports is reporting both Ibanez and Washburn were claimed. Which directly contradicts the Times/PI stories. Also claims it wasn’t the Yankees claiming, for… well, the why not doesn’t make sense, but okay.
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Either way, the odds are pretty good that something did or did not happen.
I am SHOCKED, I tell you…just SHOCKED.
I was just watching the AM Sportscenter which is LIVE, they had Buster Olney on and he reported that Jarrod Washburn was claimed off waivers and we will find out today who picked him up.
Tell me it’s true. Its the USSM good luck reversal jinx. I’m rubbing my rabbit’s foot.
It must be true if ESPN is reporting it, they never falsely report anything… :cough:
I tried to make this argument to Baker, to no avail. Our best shot was to unload Washburn to the Yankees while they were interested. We should have done it for salary alone, and, post deadline, I explained that the risk was too high that the Yankees weren’t bluffing - a point Baker seemed to want to disregard altogether - and that Washburn’s recent success was not sustainable. We were in a classic sell high scenario (one I never thought I’d see with Washburn). Selling high is dumping his salary and maybe getting a lawnmower as part of the deal. Baker seemed convinced this was a simple, “of course he can be unloaded after the deadline” scenario, so why dump salary now? It may still be such a situation, but I would not have taken that risk, since the M’s are in no better situation to have waited. One would think that we’d already have heard something concrete.
I fear we will be looking back come Spring Training, lamenting the Mariners’ stubbornness in not wanting to “give anything away.” Of course, had we made the deal, come next year, we’d very likely be looking like the winners in the trade, and would have helped the new GM begin in a better position. We’d also probably have nicely trimmed grass.
I can’t believe nobody would claim Washburn off waivers. He’s a team player who will stand there and back up his mates when they sound off to the media. He’s a workhorse who goes deep into games, only failing to pitch into the sixth inning once since May. He’s a gutty competitor who turned in yet another quality start last night, giving up only one earned run over seven innings.
AM Sportscenter is live now?? I wish they would have promoted that!
Wasburn also has a new, deadly splitter.
Right, I forgot about the splitter. Can we say he learned it from J.J.?
Question: if someone claims him off waivers and the M’s fail to work out a trade, can the M’s still just drop him on the team?
Say the Yankees claimed him and the teams still can’t work out a trade, is it still possible when they decide they can’t work out a trade for the M’s to just dump him on the Yankees before the negotiation window ends?
Something along the lines of:
Lee P: So, can we have a AAAA outfielder for Washburn?
Cashman: No.
Lee P: Please can we have a AAAA outfielder who you’ll never play because you’re going to promote them?
Cashman: No.
Lee P: Ok. Fine, just take his salary and you can have Washburn. Good riddance.
You know, Wash already seems like kind of a jerk, so I’m wondering if maybe he’d be a good candidate to learn another new pitch, just one letter off from a splitter, to revive his career, and maybe even bust his contract so we don’t have to pay him. It doesn’t have to be a pure spitter; I’d settle for the Honeycutt Tack Trick, or the Gaylord Emery Board, or a gob of Vaseline, or whatever it takes.
Derek, you’re the expert on cheatin’: does getting thrown out of the league for repeated ball-doctoring suspensions invalidate a contract?
Click to Edit isn’t working for me right now…
The middle line from Lee P should have read:
Lee P: Please can we have a AAAA outfielder who you’ll never play because you’re NOT going to promote them?
Even when Washburn had a bad outing, say giving up seven or so runs, it was usually because he only made one bad pitch. You eliminate that pitch, and you’ve got yourselves a quality starter.
Imagine how good Washburn could be pitching for a team with a short stop.
Imagine how good Washburn could be pitching.
15 - And a left fielder.
Yes, especially a perennial All-Star shortstop like Jeter.
Since most of the pitches Washburn tosses in there end up whistling toward the outfield, or the bleachers, I doubt the shortstop makes much difference.
Anyway, Yuni is a defensive whizz! A real gem with the glove. The errors are misleading; just remember how good he looked in 2006! (And maybe then he’d get traded).
Next season if the Mariners break camp with Washburn and Ibanez still on the roster, it might break the USSM server for good!
Anyway, Yuni is a defensive whizz! A real gem with the glove. The errors are misleading; just remember how good he looked in 2006!
One thing at a time - right now, our focus is on Jarrod.
19 - The word you’re looking for is “magician” not whizz.
I know it’s for the best, but it will be hard to see Washburn go. After another brilliant performance like yesterday, only 1 earned run in 7 innings, he’ll bring his success, and competitive grit to another team.
Plus he can pitch run, and work the outfield in a pinch.
Not to mention that fly balls that would usually die in Safeco’s right field will now be whizzing into the tenth row at Yankee Stadium. But that won’t be a problem since Washburn learned how to throw a splitter from J.J!
Anyone want to make a pool on how long it will be until Wahburn gets his first set of batteries thrown at him?
Also, that deadly new splitter seems to work even better at legendary parks that are full of
pennants, I mean, history — such as Yankee Stadium.Some Dude - “magician” is spot on! Somehow Yunibomber keeps pulling multiple optical illusions w/the M’s brass that he covers more ground than he actually does (hardly any - I think Rich Aurilla got to more groundballs than he has)…Anyway, back to the Bus, OF COURSE he learned his new deadly out-pitch splitter from JJ. Don’t forget about his veteran grittyness and clutchiness, and the fact that he’s been through wars!
Since most of the pitches Washburn tosses in there end up whistling toward the outfield, or the bleachers, I doubt the shortstop makes much difference.
But but but … we’re talking about Jeter! And they’ll be such good friends. And the way Washburn
throws teammates under the busshows such leadership, the whole team plays better.Wahburn
Now there’s an inspired misspelling.
You all are forgetting Washburn’s best attribute. It’s not his grittiness, not his proven veteran goodness, not his clubhouse leadership, not even his spiffy new splitter.
It’s his Angry Beaver Face.
LOL I forgot about that! It is soooo intimidating!!! >:-N grrr…angry beaver!
Can we put him on irrevocable waivers over the winter? Like Boston did with Manny in 2003?
Washburn won’t be one to crumble under the pressure of the media. Growing up with a famous actor for a father (see M*A*S*H, Animal House, Homer Simpson, etc.) Jarrod learned to thrive living in the spotlight. During his time in LA, he managed to star in a pretty popular show while establishing himself as an ace on the mound. Getting back under the bright lights is just what Jarrod needs to get back on track. Small-town Seattle just hasn’t provided the stage he needs to succeed.
Any word yet on the team(s) that has supposedly claimed him?
and the Improved Change-Up!!!
you gotta have Wah.
you mean this? “ESPN’s Buster Olney is reporting the much talked about Jarrod Washburn-to-the-Yankees trade is close to done.”
oh, wait.
that was July 31st.
Ken Rosenthal is reporting both Washburn and Ibanez were claimed. He says the Yankees were not one of the teams. They have until tomorrow afternoon to make a trade.
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Quick photochop funny: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/2761025536_dcf2170f32_o.jpg
Ken Rosenthal, Buster Olney: Right, let us know when there’s actually something concrete to report. This is why we’re stuck discussing a situation with no actual facts in evidence, just speculation.
Ok, I’d like to go back to comment 11 and ask that question again.
Assuming that somebody does claim either the Bus or Ibanez if we couldn’t work out a deal with that team, could we just dump the player on them anyways? I know you wouldn’t do that with Raul, but with Wash it may be worth thinking about if you can do it.
More Not Real News Until I See the Deal Inked from ESPN: Hank Steinbrenner’s talking about next year, in contrast to his father, who would have done anything to win right now, this instant.
Perhaps there’s been the decision in the Yankees office that Washburn’s not worth giving anything away because he’s not going to be a difference maker, he’s just not.
Dammit.
I know that nothings been confirmed, but lets just say that somebody claimed Ibanez. It would make sense that it was Tampa Bay (at least to me). What would be a fair package to ask for from Tampa? They desperately need a bat, and they always seem to have good young players, is there a chance a deal could get done there?
I don’t see a plausible waiver deal for Raul. You have to get something that’s better than the two draft picks you can get after the season. That translates to good prospects who are close to the majors, but then they’re likely to be on the 40-man roster (and unlikely to clear waivers themselves).
Why would the M’s have placed Ibanez on waivers? Could they possibly do better than the two draft picks for letting him walk? I don’t understand.
41 Plus Crawford just opted to do surgery on his hand, per ESPN
Mike Snow. The M’s could work a deal in the AL for Ibanez and the other team could put someone on waivers. We would have the first opportunity to claim because of our record.
In answer to #11 and #39…
My understanding of waivers is that a team puts a player on waivers. If in 3 days, no team actually claims the player, that player can be traded without restriction as in before the July 31st deadline, sent to the minors, or simply be released outright. His salary, however, is still owed.
If any team claims the player, as I understand it, the waiver team has the option to rescind the waiver- this apparently happens frequently without making the news, when teams are basically testing the trade waters by gauging interest- or to work out a deal with the claiming team, or simply let that player go to the new team without anything but a required waiver fee. The new team is then on the hook for all the remaining contract.
As I understand it, the danger of a claiming team is if they didn’t really want the player… they could still be stuck with them. This has happened in the past where the claiming team put in a claim as a strategic block against a divisional rival… only to find themselves picking up a deadweight contract they didn’t really want.
The best case scenario for the Mariners is that Washburn gets claimed off waivers and the FO is smart enough to say “Great, have fun with Jarrod”. The worst case is if the FO still tries to get something for him and pushes their luck, or he clears waivers altogether, which pretty much signals he has no trade value and no team even wants to take him off our hands.
It doesn’t hurt to put a player on waivers. They aren’t going to geta deal they like for him, so they just pull him back off. I guess their thought is they may as well see who bites and at what price. But, as mentioned before, anything worth getting in return won’t clear waivers.
Carson, what about Central Oregon’s point about the Mariners having the worst record in the AL? Wouldn’t that mean that the M’s get first shot at anybody put on waivers?
I don’t think this is the case.
Central Oregon - if that’s allowed, then no wonder Lee was saying they didn’t need to worry about the trading deadline.
Carson, wouldn’t we get first shot at the waiver wire? So, in theory, we could get whatever we want.
I also heard/read that anyone that’s not on the 40 man roster is not under the waiver wire rule… but I don’t know if that’s true.
Well, I’m not 100% sure of all the waiver rules. I don’t think the team with the worst record can sit there and claim every single player they want. So, to get what they’d want (two higher level prospects) they would need both to clear waivers.
The Mariners may be able to claim one, but perhaps not the other. Again, I am not totally sure if this is accurate. Derek, can you help out?
Oh, and don’t sass me or I won’t offer you free software anymore.
If the Mariners do indeed trade Ibanez, it will probably be for a couple of PTBNL’s. Ala the Dunn deal. They got Micah Owings in return, but he didn’t clear waivers, so they will just wait till the end of the year to name him as the PTBNL.
Yep- for what it’s worth, the Mariners always get first shot at claiming anyone put on waivers from another AL team- no one can trump them. The Nationals would have first shot of any NL player put on waivers. Each would then have first shot if the player wasn’t claimed by any team in his current league.
hincandenza- good point.. nothing can stop a player from coming to seattle if we want them.
Rumor has it that Twins claimed Raul…
Also, only players on the 40 man roster need to clear waivers. If they are offering a minor leaguer, he might not need to clear.
Ok, but after they claim a player, does their waiver position change?
Or could they theoretically claim every AL player put on waivers, stack themselves with veteran grit, and charge back to win the West?
Is it possible the Mariners are entertaining the idea of re-signing Ibanez in the offseason, after he tests the market? In that case it would make sense to trade him now since there would be no draft pick issue.
The way Raul is playing, his stock is probably way up too.
For Raul’s sake, let’s hope he ends up in the AL working as a DH. I have a feeling other teams (and their fans) would be a lot less accepting of Raul’s “defense.”
The Twins make sense the way he hit against them. I am hoping it is the Rays to fill Crawford/Longoria hole left by injury. They have a deep farm system.
It’s absolutely inconceivable that Ibanez would clear waivers. Well, okay Inigo, perhaps not inconceivable, but damned near so. I suppose the main reason they’d put him on waivers is in case the M’s claimed someone and wanted to see if they could work out a deal with Ibanez for the guy(s) they claimed.
Or could they theoretically claim every AL player put on waivers, stack themselves with veteran grit, and charge back to win the West?
It’s called the 40-man roster because you’re limited to having 40 players on it, so no. Right now, I believe they only have two slots open.
Someone on Lookout Landing says Ibanez to Rays. Didn’t list his source. Did a kitten just die?
Edit: A commenter said it, not a poster. Goodbye, little cat.
Edit #2: Did some minor research. Commenter is a poster for DRaysBay, a TB baseball blog.
“Seattle Mariners: Placed DH Jose Vidro on irrevocable waivers for the purpose of granting him his unconditional release. ”
huh. what a shocker.
*splash*
The D-Rays may have claimed him, but they may not have been the only claimant.
Rays 40 man roster.
Would a SP like Sonnanstine or Jackson and a INF like Aybar (corners) or Zobrist (SS) for Ibanez work for both teams? For the M’s it’s better than two draft picks in that the players are at MLB level. For the Rays, they can let Ibanez walk and get two new chips into their system at the end of their run.
I heard Rosenthal say on the air last weekend that the M’s put Washburn on the waivers, the Yankees claimed him, but the M’s were still asking too much for him. It may well be that they pulled him off waivers when they couldn’t work out a deal, and have now put him back on.
Is that possible can they put back on waivers after they’ve pulled him off?
Yes, but they can’t pull him back the second time. If he’s claimed the second time, the other team gets him.
Yes, but they can’t pull him back the second time.
That’s a feature, not a bug.
That’s right. I think the second time is irrevocable waivers so if this is true, if he is claimed by another team, he’s gone. I hope that’s the case, because Washburn stinks.
Here’s the waiver rules as posted by the TNT.
I’ll be very sad to see Washburn go, but he deserves to have the chance to
throw teammates under the buspitch in a playoff race again!Oh, come on, what about all that veteran grittiness…plus the fact that he always speaks well of those around him?
Why, he’s a true team player in every sense of the word! (/snark)
Geoff Baker reverses to report that they have both been claimed. He also indicates speculation that the Cardinals claimed Washburn, so Rosenthal may have been right that it wasn’t the Yankees.
Who would replace Ibanez on the roster?
Why wouldn’t St. Louis claim Washburn? They know there is gold on the M’s pitching roster. Pinero and Franklin are just two of hidden gems we’ve been stashing on our roster in previous years.
Dude, Mike Snow. Your sarcasm radar might be slightly out of tune.
Theoretically, it might be. It’s hard to tell, since your other questions are serious, so sometimes I play along and explain the obvious even though I know it’s obvious.