Comments on: How waivers work http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/14/how-waivers-wor/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:54:24 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: BaltimoreDave http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/14/how-waivers-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-296429 BaltimoreDave Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:33:35 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5802#comment-296429 Cot's has a great transaction glossary with concise definitions to most of this stuff, as well as links to the current and previous Basic Agreements. There's also links to relevant articles on BPro, ESPN, etc., for whatever that's worth. <a href="http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2003/01/transactions-glossary.html" rel="nofollow">Cot's Transaction Glossary Page</a> Cot’s has a great transaction glossary with concise definitions to most of this stuff, as well as links to the current and previous Basic Agreements. There’s also links to relevant articles on BPro, ESPN, etc., for whatever that’s worth.

Cot’s Transaction Glossary Page

]]> By: notanangrygradstudent http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/14/how-waivers-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-296421 notanangrygradstudent Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:24:44 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5802#comment-296421 Thanks, Derek. Where is that set of rules? If I knew where to look, I could just read them myself. Thanks, Derek. Where is that set of rules? If I knew where to look, I could just read them myself.

]]> By: DMZ http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/14/how-waivers-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-296410 DMZ Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:03:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5802#comment-296410 <blockquote>If a player with a NTC is placed on irrevocable waivers, is claimed, but the player then blocks the contract assignment, is the waiving team obliged to release him?</blockquote> No. <blockquote>Or does the team have the choice of simply keeping him,</blockquote> No, they have to keep them. <blockquote>they are blocked from releasing him later in the season (because they can’t request waivers a third time)?</blockquote> They could still release them -- though I'd have to go bone up on that set of rules to be able to quote them at you.

If a player with a NTC is placed on irrevocable waivers, is claimed, but the player then blocks the contract assignment, is the waiving team obliged to release him?

No.

Or does the team have the choice of simply keeping him,

No, they have to keep them.

they are blocked from releasing him later in the season (because they can’t request waivers a third time)?

They could still release them — though I’d have to go bone up on that set of rules to be able to quote them at you.

]]> By: notanangrygradstudent http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/14/how-waivers-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-296408 notanangrygradstudent Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:58:59 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5802#comment-296408 Mousse: Your question answers itself. If I trade can't be worked out <em>that is agreeable to the owning team</em>, the owning team can always change their mind and decide that it is fine to just let the player go with nothing at all in return. That's pretty much what it means to waive a player. Mousse: Your question answers itself. If I trade can’t be worked out that is agreeable to the owning team, the owning team can always change their mind and decide that it is fine to just let the player go with nothing at all in return. That’s pretty much what it means to waive a player.

]]> By: notanangrygradstudent http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/14/how-waivers-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-296407 notanangrygradstudent Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:56:01 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5802#comment-296407 I echo pguar82's question: If a player with a NTC is placed on irrevocable waivers, is claimed, but the player then blocks the contract assignment, is the waiving team obliged to release him? Or does the team have the choice of simply keeping him, but they are blocked from releasing him later in the season (because they can't request waivers a third time)? The former makes the most sense to me. Can anyone shed any light on how NTC's work with the waiver rules? I echo pguar82’s question: If a player with a NTC is placed on irrevocable waivers, is claimed, but the player then blocks the contract assignment, is the waiving team obliged to release him? Or does the team have the choice of simply keeping him, but they are blocked from releasing him later in the season (because they can’t request waivers a third time)? The former makes the most sense to me. Can anyone shed any light on how NTC’s work with the waiver rules?

]]> By: Mousse http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/14/how-waivers-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-296403 Mousse Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:34:27 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5802#comment-296403 lonestarball, I see your point and agree. However, I'm really talking about situations where the waiver claim was not intended as a block. If the claiming team truly wanted the waived player but is unable to work out a mutually agreeable trade with the owning team, is it "bad form" for the owning team to say "well, too bad, he's yours."? lonestarball,

I see your point and agree. However, I’m really talking about situations where the waiver claim was not intended as a block. If the claiming team truly wanted the waived player but is unable to work out a mutually agreeable trade with the owning team, is it “bad form” for the owning team to say “well, too bad, he’s yours.”?

]]> By: DMZ http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/14/how-waivers-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-296401 DMZ Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:20:23 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5802#comment-296401 The league sends out the day's list to the teams. The media's not cut in on it at all, which is why you see contradictory and wrong information out there. The league sends out the day’s list to the teams. The media’s not cut in on it at all, which is why you see contradictory and wrong information out there.

]]> By: lonestarball http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/14/how-waivers-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-296399 lonestarball Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:16:38 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5802#comment-296399 I think it is considered to be bad etiquette to place claims on players you don't want, just to block them from going elsewhere. I think if someone gets stuck with a player they don't want, it would be viewed as the team getting what was coming to them. Up until about 10-15 years ago, there was sort of a gentleman's agreement that no one would put in claims, but that has sort of gone out the window. I think it is considered to be bad etiquette to place claims on players you don’t want, just to block them from going elsewhere. I think if someone gets stuck with a player they don’t want, it would be viewed as the team getting what was coming to them.

Up until about 10-15 years ago, there was sort of a gentleman’s agreement that no one would put in claims, but that has sort of gone out the window.

]]> By: Mousse http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/14/how-waivers-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-296398 Mousse Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:14:38 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5802#comment-296398 Is there an unwritten rule of sorts which says that it is really bad etiquette to stick the requesting team with a player's contract if a trade cannot be worked out? In other words, is it possible that the Mariners FO was concerned about appearances with their peers in deciding not to simply dump Washburn's contract on Minnesota? I don't have a good sense of how frequently this sort of thing happens. Is there an unwritten rule of sorts which says that it is really bad etiquette to stick the requesting team with a player’s contract if a trade cannot be worked out? In other words, is it possible that the Mariners FO was concerned about appearances with their peers in deciding not to simply dump Washburn’s contract on Minnesota? I don’t have a good sense of how frequently this sort of thing happens.

]]> By: Jay R. http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/14/how-waivers-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-296395 Jay R. Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:07:28 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5802#comment-296395 I am curious about the mechanics of how the teams are notified about waiver requests. Does the league office send out a memo/fax/email/teletype/smoke signal to all teams each time a request is made, or do they send summary report at the end of the day? Or do they just release the information to the wire services and let the teams find out themselves? I am sure all teams are aware somehow or another; I am just interested in how it actually works, and whether the onus is on the league or the individual teams. I am curious about the mechanics of how the teams are notified about waiver requests. Does the league office send out a memo/fax/email/teletype/smoke signal to all teams each time a request is made, or do they send summary report at the end of the day? Or do they just release the information to the wire services and let the teams find out themselves?

I am sure all teams are aware somehow or another; I am just interested in how it actually works, and whether the onus is on the league or the individual teams.

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