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	<title>Comments on: Because the Washburn issue isn&#8217;t bad enough</title>
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		<title>By: scott19</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/because-the-washburn-issue-isnt-bad-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-296538</link>
		<dc:creator>scott19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Richie can go buy himself an Arby&#039;s franchise...

Or, better yet, a Sizzler...then he could hire Silva as the night manager! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Richie can go buy himself an Arby&#8217;s franchise&#8230;</p>
<p>Or, better yet, a Sizzler&#8230;then he could hire Silva as the night manager! <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Xteve X</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/because-the-washburn-issue-isnt-bad-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-296519</link>
		<dc:creator>Xteve X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Ms commercial:

He got cut by the Ms for not hittin&#039; in the clutch
Now NYC&#039;s also seen too much
Reduced to hitting vs. lefties in a first base platoon 
His next gig: washing dishes in a greasy spoon

BIG RICHIE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Ms commercial:</p>
<p>He got cut by the Ms for not hittin&#8217; in the clutch<br />
Now NYC&#8217;s also seen too much<br />
Reduced to hitting vs. lefties in a first base platoon<br />
His next gig: washing dishes in a greasy spoon</p>
<p>BIG RICHIE</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, guys, think how crappy we&#039;d be without Bedard. We&#039;d be one of the worst teams in baseball if it wasn&#039;t for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, guys, think how crappy we&#8217;d be without Bedard. We&#8217;d be one of the worst teams in baseball if it wasn&#8217;t for him.</p>
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		<title>By: VaughnStreet</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/because-the-washburn-issue-isnt-bad-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-296506</link>
		<dc:creator>VaughnStreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One reason this is such a low point in Mariner history is that just a few years ago this team won 116 games and was starting to make semi-regular appearances in the post-season. Now the team is losing maybe 116 games and is making regular appearances in the toilet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason this is such a low point in Mariner history is that just a few years ago this team won 116 games and was starting to make semi-regular appearances in the post-season. Now the team is losing maybe 116 games and is making regular appearances in the toilet.</p>
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		<title>By: casualfan7</title>
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		<dc:creator>casualfan7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Spanky said:

As much as some like to give credit to Bavasi and company for “re-building” the M’s farm system, that trade all by itself should remove all consideration from being given for the re-build because it so crippled the M’s going forward.

What amazes me is that it took SO LOOONG for the O’s to finally agree to do it. Wasn’t there anyone close to Bavasi that could have walked into his office and slapped some sanity back into him during that time????&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The O&#039;s and M&#039;s quickly agreed on Sherrill, Tillman, Jones by many reports. The O&#039;s and their GM waited and pryed Butler and Mickolio away from Bavasi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Spanky said:</p>
<p>As much as some like to give credit to Bavasi and company for “re-building” the M’s farm system, that trade all by itself should remove all consideration from being given for the re-build because it so crippled the M’s going forward.</p>
<p>What amazes me is that it took SO LOOONG for the O’s to finally agree to do it. Wasn’t there anyone close to Bavasi that could have walked into his office and slapped some sanity back into him during that time????</p></blockquote>
<p>The O&#8217;s and M&#8217;s quickly agreed on Sherrill, Tillman, Jones by many reports. The O&#8217;s and their GM waited and pryed Butler and Mickolio away from Bavasi.</p>
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		<title>By: bergamot</title>
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		<dc:creator>bergamot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Serious question: are we currently at the lowest point in the organisation&#039;s history? &lt;/i&gt;

In terms of performance and aggregate talent, probably.

I think the low points were the final games of most of the years in the 1980&#039;s and early 1990&#039;s, when we weren&#039;t sure if the Mariners were going to be back in Seattle on Opening Day of the following season.  

Bad Team &gt; No Team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Serious question: are we currently at the lowest point in the organisation&#8217;s history? </i></p>
<p>In terms of performance and aggregate talent, probably.</p>
<p>I think the low points were the final games of most of the years in the 1980&#8217;s and early 1990&#8217;s, when we weren&#8217;t sure if the Mariners were going to be back in Seattle on Opening Day of the following season.  </p>
<p>Bad Team &gt; No Team.</p>
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		<title>By: stripesjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>stripesjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;d have to say that everyone of the writers here were thinking this trade was a very bad idea.  I talked to some friends about this trade while it was happening and they were stoked... I was sitting there befuddled wondering what the future would hold if Bedard melted down or they couldn&#039;t sign him long term.  Go figure.

It took NY less than a month figure out Richie had nothing left in the tank.  &quot;Go Rays!!!!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;d have to say that everyone of the writers here were thinking this trade was a very bad idea.  I talked to some friends about this trade while it was happening and they were stoked&#8230; I was sitting there befuddled wondering what the future would hold if Bedard melted down or they couldn&#8217;t sign him long term.  Go figure.</p>
<p>It took NY less than a month figure out Richie had nothing left in the tank.  &#8220;Go Rays!!!!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To be fair, no one predicted a year ago that Tillman would be any better than a number three starter. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, quite a few people saw the possibility...

I&#039;da been comfortable trading the minor leaguers themselves, and maybe Sherrill, but adding Jones on top of that? Ugh. Ugh, ugh ugh.

Part and parcel of the Ms inability to evaluate talent. They&#039;ve consistently over-valued veteran talent and under-valued young, rising talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To be fair, no one predicted a year ago that Tillman would be any better than a number three starter. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, quite a few people saw the possibility&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;da been comfortable trading the minor leaguers themselves, and maybe Sherrill, but adding Jones on top of that? Ugh. Ugh, ugh ugh.</p>
<p>Part and parcel of the Ms inability to evaluate talent. They&#8217;ve consistently over-valued veteran talent and under-valued young, rising talent.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on the other hand NY just decided maybe Richie had nothing left in the tank ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the other hand NY just decided maybe Richie had nothing left in the tank &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JMHawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMHawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, who is the &quot;JMB&quot; fellow posting here?  I think there used to be someone by that name, but that was a long, long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, who is the &#8220;JMB&#8221; fellow posting here?  I think there used to be someone by that name, but that was a long, long time ago.</p>
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