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		<title>By: avideo</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/18/wait-wait-what-just-happened/comment-page-2/#comment-297289</link>
		<dc:creator>avideo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t been on this board for a least a month or more. Haven&#039;t really followed the M&#039;s much either - even though we have half season tickets at Field Level on the First Base Line. Have realized this season is a disaster in almost every way. The Mariners are simply the punching bag for the entire American League. The &quot;results&quot; speak volumes about this Club. Needless to say, we WILL NOT be buying a half season of mostly LOSING GAME TICKETS NEXT SEASON. In fact, I will simply have to think hard if we even want a 16 Game Package next year - given how shitty this team has become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been on this board for a least a month or more. Haven&#8217;t really followed the M&#8217;s much either &#8211; even though we have half season tickets at Field Level on the First Base Line. Have realized this season is a disaster in almost every way. The Mariners are simply the punching bag for the entire American League. The &#8220;results&#8221; speak volumes about this Club. Needless to say, we WILL NOT be buying a half season of mostly LOSING GAME TICKETS NEXT SEASON. In fact, I will simply have to think hard if we even want a 16 Game Package next year &#8211; given how shitty this team has become.</p>
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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/18/wait-wait-what-just-happened/comment-page-2/#comment-297241</link>
		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a quote from Baker in the revised blog entry:

[blockquote]I don&#039;t know what&#039;s scarier, believing Carlos Silva -- that some of these guys aren&#039;t trying their best to win.

Or to believe the opposite is true. That this team really is giving 100 percent maximum effort every night. [/blockquote]

This is what is known as a straw man argument.  There is a lot of space between &quot;there are guys tanking it&quot; and &quot;maximum effort every night.&quot;  Anyone who understands baseball (and that includes Baker, despite the quote) knows that no one puts forth maximum effort every night in a 162-game season.  That&#039;s simply impossible.  Guys who try it are guys like Butch Hobson or Chris Snelling who get injured all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a quote from Baker in the revised blog entry:</p>
<p>[blockquote]I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s scarier, believing Carlos Silva &#8212; that some of these guys aren&#8217;t trying their best to win.</p>
<p>Or to believe the opposite is true. That this team really is giving 100 percent maximum effort every night. [/blockquote]</p>
<p>This is what is known as a straw man argument.  There is a lot of space between &#8220;there are guys tanking it&#8221; and &#8220;maximum effort every night.&#8221;  Anyone who understands baseball (and that includes Baker, despite the quote) knows that no one puts forth maximum effort every night in a 162-game season.  That&#8217;s simply impossible.  Guys who try it are guys like Butch Hobson or Chris Snelling who get injured all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Dragon</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/18/wait-wait-what-just-happened/comment-page-2/#comment-297235</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt the Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[DMZ said]: Hey, 2+2 is 4. That doesn’t mean I have an irrational love of even numbers, or hate prime numbers.


See, I thought you loved prime numbers as evidenced by you quoting the number two, not just once but twice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[DMZ said]: Hey, 2+2 is 4. That doesn’t mean I have an irrational love of even numbers, or hate prime numbers.</p>
<p>See, I thought you loved prime numbers as evidenced by you quoting the number two, not just once but twice!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/18/wait-wait-what-just-happened/comment-page-2/#comment-297234</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, vj, I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s because he&#039;s reading the comments here, but Baker has now &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/08/19/love_this_cartoon/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blogged the cartoon&lt;/a&gt;. I&#039;ve seen it a few times before myself, but xkcd never fails to amuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, vj, I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s because he&#8217;s reading the comments here, but Baker has now <a href="http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/08/19/love_this_cartoon/" rel="nofollow">blogged the cartoon</a>. I&#8217;ve seen it a few times before myself, but xkcd never fails to amuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(aside to smb, following up on my comment #66 and his/hers in #68:

Now, I didn&#039;t come right out and say that Randy quit on the Mariners!  I&#039;ve been re-educated about that aspect of Randy&#039;s performance.  But I do think that his mental processes were all messed up in that first 4 months, thanks to the stress of his dealings with the FO and with some of the other stuff going on with him.   And IMO it MAY have had something to do with his inconsistent performance.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(aside to smb, following up on my comment #66 and his/hers in #68:</p>
<p>Now, I didn&#8217;t come right out and say that Randy quit on the Mariners!  I&#8217;ve been re-educated about that aspect of Randy&#8217;s performance.  But I do think that his mental processes were all messed up in that first 4 months, thanks to the stress of his dealings with the FO and with some of the other stuff going on with him.   And IMO it MAY have had something to do with his inconsistent performance.)</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you honestly believe that Silva, as one of the “prancing talentless fools,” could fit in a clown car?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

but, that&#039;s the magic of clown cars!

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve never met JMB, but if we learn tomorrow that he’s say… 14 years old&lt;/blockquote&gt;

if we learned that, well, Mrs. Barker and the Little Barkerettes would be &lt;em&gt;most&lt;/em&gt; surprised.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I happen to know the Mariners executive branch can’t stand this blog (meaning what I write here) because they feel it’s too negative&lt;/blockquote&gt;

very likely true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you honestly believe that Silva, as one of the “prancing talentless fools,” could fit in a clown car?</p></blockquote>
<p>but, that&#8217;s the magic of clown cars!</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve never met JMB, but if we learn tomorrow that he’s say… 14 years old</p></blockquote>
<p>if we learned that, well, Mrs. Barker and the Little Barkerettes would be <em>most</em> surprised.</p>
<blockquote><p>I happen to know the Mariners executive branch can’t stand this blog (meaning what I write here) because they feel it’s too negative</p></blockquote>
<p>very likely true.</p>
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		<title>By: vj</title>
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		<dc:creator>vj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night at both the Zumsteg and Baker households:
http://xkcd.com/386/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night at both the Zumsteg and Baker households:<br />
<a href="http://xkcd.com/386/" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/386/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/18/wait-wait-what-just-happened/comment-page-2/#comment-297227</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, do those of you who come here and complain about posts responding to Baker do the same on his blog? 

i.e. Do you go there and say &quot;you know, these posts responding to USS Mariner are a HUGE WASTE OF MY PRECIOUS TIME, you should write about something I find interesting instead!&quot;

(incase you can&#039;t tell, I&#039;m getting a little tired of people trying to dictate what the authors here should write about)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, do those of you who come here and complain about posts responding to Baker do the same on his blog? </p>
<p>i.e. Do you go there and say &#8220;you know, these posts responding to USS Mariner are a HUGE WASTE OF MY PRECIOUS TIME, you should write about something I find interesting instead!&#8221;</p>
<p>(incase you can&#8217;t tell, I&#8217;m getting a little tired of people trying to dictate what the authors here should write about)</p>
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		<title>By: cody</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/18/wait-wait-what-just-happened/comment-page-2/#comment-297225</link>
		<dc:creator>cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>80- Agreed. What is there about this team that&#039;s positive to write about? I guess I&#039;ll go with the stuff we&#039;re leading the league in-   
1. Most highly overpaid piles of crap. 
2. Highest Payroll-to-win total in baseball 
3. Most nights batting the equivalent of a pitcher clean-up. 
4. The LVFO award (least valuable front office). 
5. The MST award (most stupid trade- Bedard for Sherill/Jones/Aumont/Tillman/Butler/Mickolo, it still makes me wonder) 
6. 2nd MSFAS award(Most stupid free agent signing award- Carlos Silva, 4 yrs; 48 million. Barry Zito takes the cake here.)  
7. And, last but not least, doing a great job of showing everyone what a poorly run team with no clue on how to win looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>80- Agreed. What is there about this team that&#8217;s positive to write about? I guess I&#8217;ll go with the stuff we&#8217;re leading the league in-<br />
1. Most highly overpaid piles of crap.<br />
2. Highest Payroll-to-win total in baseball<br />
3. Most nights batting the equivalent of a pitcher clean-up.<br />
4. The LVFO award (least valuable front office).<br />
5. The MST award (most stupid trade- Bedard for Sherill/Jones/Aumont/Tillman/Butler/Mickolo, it still makes me wonder)<br />
6. 2nd MSFAS award(Most stupid free agent signing award- Carlos Silva, 4 yrs; 48 million. Barry Zito takes the cake here.)<br />
7. And, last but not least, doing a great job of showing everyone what a poorly run team with no clue on how to win looks.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/18/wait-wait-what-just-happened/comment-page-2/#comment-297222</link>
		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I happen to know the Mariners executive branch can’t stand this blog (meaning what I write here) because they feel it’s too negative &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Delusional AND...um...inteligence challenged?

You&#039;d think that good corporate execs would be honest enough to realize that the team&#039;s performance this year would naturally reap the sort of things they&#039;re getting from Baker (let alone the blogs).

Ah. Wait. I realize my mistake...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I happen to know the Mariners executive branch can’t stand this blog (meaning what I write here) because they feel it’s too negative </p></blockquote>
<p>Delusional AND&#8230;um&#8230;inteligence challenged?</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think that good corporate execs would be honest enough to realize that the team&#8217;s performance this year would naturally reap the sort of things they&#8217;re getting from Baker (let alone the blogs).</p>
<p>Ah. Wait. I realize my mistake&#8230;</p>
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