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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/24/tragedy-or-comedy/comment-page-2/#comment-298090</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I loved it when they brought Jamie Burke in to pitch.  

I just wish he could have gotten through his inning unscathed...catchers in general seem to get so little recognition for what they usually do compared to the &quot;best players in baseball&quot; heavy hitters, that when they do something that is NOT in their job description, it&#039;s great to see them do it well.  

Sad for Jamie...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I loved it when they brought Jamie Burke in to pitch.  </p>
<p>I just wish he could have gotten through his inning unscathed&#8230;catchers in general seem to get so little recognition for what they usually do compared to the &#8220;best players in baseball&#8221; heavy hitters, that when they do something that is NOT in their job description, it&#8217;s great to see them do it well.  </p>
<p>Sad for Jamie&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nwtrev</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/24/tragedy-or-comedy/comment-page-2/#comment-298086</link>
		<dc:creator>nwtrev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a strange game.  It was one of those WTF moments when I heard the announcer say &quot;Now pitching...Jamie Burke.&quot;  I hadn&#039;t been watching him warm up so it surprised me.  Same thing happened when I went back to my desk at work and checked Gameday and saw &quot;Felix Hernandez hits grand slam to right field...&quot; I thought it was a typo then LL and USSM broke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a strange game.  It was one of those WTF moments when I heard the announcer say &#8220;Now pitching&#8230;Jamie Burke.&#8221;  I hadn&#8217;t been watching him warm up so it surprised me.  Same thing happened when I went back to my desk at work and checked Gameday and saw &#8220;Felix Hernandez hits grand slam to right field&#8230;&#8221; I thought it was a typo then LL and USSM broke.</p>
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		<title>By: scott19</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>52:  Well, considering JB&#039;s one inning pitched wasn&#039;t as bad as most of Silva&#039;s or Batista&#039;s appearances this year, it probably qualifies as being in the &quot;good&quot; catagory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>52:  Well, considering JB&#8217;s one inning pitched wasn&#8217;t as bad as most of Silva&#8217;s or Batista&#8217;s appearances this year, it probably qualifies as being in the &#8220;good&#8221; catagory.</p>
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		<title>By: nwtrev</title>
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		<dc:creator>nwtrev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about &quot;Good&quot; but it was fun to see Jamie Burke pitch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about &#8220;Good&#8221; but it was fun to see Jamie Burke pitch</p>
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		<title>By: Broadcast James</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/24/tragedy-or-comedy/comment-page-2/#comment-298079</link>
		<dc:creator>Broadcast James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting really technical:

&quot;Tragedy depicts the downfall of a basically good person through some fatal error or misjudgment, producing suffering and insight on the part of the protagonist and arousing pity and fear on the part of the audience.&quot; (http://condor.depaul.edu/~dsimpson/tlove/comic-tragic.html)

If you said Bavasi was he central character of this story... I&#039;d have to say that perfectly sums it up. 

also: &quot;A true tragedy should evoke pity and fear on the part of the audience.&quot; That&#039;s definitely true of this season as well... :)

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As for comedy: &quot;A comedy is a story of the rise in fortune of a sympathetic central character.&quot; 

I&#039;d really have to stretch to see who this one applies to, someone who would also be a central character.

So technically, on a scholarly level, definitely a tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting really technical:</p>
<p>&#8220;Tragedy depicts the downfall of a basically good person through some fatal error or misjudgment, producing suffering and insight on the part of the protagonist and arousing pity and fear on the part of the audience.&#8221; (<a href="http://condor.depaul.edu/~dsimpson/tlove/comic-tragic.html" rel="nofollow">http://condor.depaul.edu/~dsimpson/tlove/comic-tragic.html</a>)</p>
<p>If you said Bavasi was he central character of this story&#8230; I&#8217;d have to say that perfectly sums it up. </p>
<p>also: &#8220;A true tragedy should evoke pity and fear on the part of the audience.&#8221; That&#8217;s definitely true of this season as well&#8230; <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>As for comedy: &#8220;A comedy is a story of the rise in fortune of a sympathetic central character.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;d really have to stretch to see who this one applies to, someone who would also be a central character.</p>
<p>So technically, on a scholarly level, definitely a tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think it is just a long running joke where he disses on the Moose&lt;/blockquote&gt;

oh, it is &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.baseball.sea-mariners/browse_thread/thread/884d5a7b25f0d950/07b5e0d71af7394c?hl=en&amp;lnk=st&amp;q=%22mariner+moose%22#07b5e0d71af7394c&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;no joke&lt;/a&gt;, mister. It is a sad, sad &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.baseball.sea-mariners/msg/90e6865790e76b6a?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tale.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think it is just a long running joke where he disses on the Moose</p></blockquote>
<p>oh, it is <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.baseball.sea-mariners/browse_thread/thread/884d5a7b25f0d950/07b5e0d71af7394c?hl=en&amp;lnk=st&amp;q=%22mariner+moose%22#07b5e0d71af7394c" rel="nofollow">no joke</a>, mister. It is a sad, sad <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.baseball.sea-mariners/msg/90e6865790e76b6a?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8" rel="nofollow">tale.</a></p>
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		<title>By: TumwaterMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>TumwaterMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you remember the Marines are trying to be &quot;peanut friendly&quot;---I mean fan friendly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you remember the Marines are trying to be &#8220;peanut friendly&#8221;&#8212;I mean fan friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: srp</title>
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		<dc:creator>srp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m conflicted about all the hoopla at Mariners games:

As a fan, trying to educate myself about the nuances of the game, I hate the wave and wish the crowd would appreciate good play on the field more and show some emotion about the game.

As a parent, it&#039;s the moose, the hydro races, and all the cheesy extras that help my son last through a 3 hour game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m conflicted about all the hoopla at Mariners games:</p>
<p>As a fan, trying to educate myself about the nuances of the game, I hate the wave and wish the crowd would appreciate good play on the field more and show some emotion about the game.</p>
<p>As a parent, it&#8217;s the moose, the hydro races, and all the cheesy extras that help my son last through a 3 hour game.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sorry I mispelled Dave’s name…didn’t think my whole comment should be erased…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is a pretty long standing rule around here. Certain names (such as Niehaus) get posts wacked a lot more than others. You might fly under the radar on a guy like Feierabend when he first came up, but you picked maybe the one name that will get your comment deleted every single time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sorry I mispelled Dave’s name…didn’t think my whole comment should be erased…</p></blockquote>
<p>That is a pretty long standing rule around here. Certain names (such as Niehaus) get posts wacked a lot more than others. You might fly under the radar on a guy like Feierabend when he first came up, but you picked maybe the one name that will get your comment deleted every single time.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m pretty sure the Moose is the second biggest reason my 4-year-old likes going to games (seeing Ichiro! is number one).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I don&#039;t want to speak for Derek, but I think it is just a long running joke where he disses on the Moose. Although, what you said there represents a lot of people&#039;s feeling that the Mariners play to the casual fan who wants to see hydro races and do the wave a little too much.

Seeing a game at Yankee Stadium last August was a huge difference. There were no &quot;Get Loud&quot; flashes on the scoreboard. As annoying as they may be, their fans seem to care about what is happening on the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m pretty sure the Moose is the second biggest reason my 4-year-old likes going to games (seeing Ichiro! is number one).</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I don&#8217;t want to speak for Derek, but I think it is just a long running joke where he disses on the Moose. Although, what you said there represents a lot of people&#8217;s feeling that the Mariners play to the casual fan who wants to see hydro races and do the wave a little too much.</p>
<p>Seeing a game at Yankee Stadium last August was a huge difference. There were no &#8220;Get Loud&#8221; flashes on the scoreboard. As annoying as they may be, their fans seem to care about what is happening on the field.</p>
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