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		<title>By: MarinerMC</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/26/comment-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-298462</link>
		<dc:creator>MarinerMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You look at the #1 picks above and they were all position players. I really think that you can&#039;t bank on a #1 pick being the solve all answer for this team. Tim is a great pitcher but how are the Giants doing, they still SUCK! Thier going to get a high draft pick but I&#039;d rather watch the young guys play and not watch the M&#039;s get killed every night. We have a large payroll we just need a GM who can do something with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You look at the #1 picks above and they were all position players. I really think that you can&#8217;t bank on a #1 pick being the solve all answer for this team. Tim is a great pitcher but how are the Giants doing, they still SUCK! Thier going to get a high draft pick but I&#8217;d rather watch the young guys play and not watch the M&#8217;s get killed every night. We have a large payroll we just need a GM who can do something with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/26/comment-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-298438</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@47: OK, then, I want them to get caught weeping into the SAME pillow, and fired for moral turpitude. Anything.

Good word, that. Turpitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@47: OK, then, I want them to get caught weeping into the SAME pillow, and fired for moral turpitude. Anything.</p>
<p>Good word, that. Turpitude.</p>
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		<title>By: edgar for mayor</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/26/comment-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-298419</link>
		<dc:creator>edgar for mayor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...just because he might get injured, the Mariners shouldn&#039;t take the best player available?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;just because he might get injured, the Mariners shouldn&#8217;t take the best player available?</p>
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		<title>By: Red Apple</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/26/comment-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-298400</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You picture Armstrong and Lincoln suffering? Crying into their pillows? Come on...they&#039;ll never, ever admit that they&#039;re part of the problem. Executives like that are much too egotistical (and I&#039;m not saying that in a snarky way -- that&#039;s just how executives are) to see things like that.

I just can&#039;t envision them being forced out. Bleak view? Yup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You picture Armstrong and Lincoln suffering? Crying into their pillows? Come on&#8230;they&#8217;ll never, ever admit that they&#8217;re part of the problem. Executives like that are much too egotistical (and I&#8217;m not saying that in a snarky way &#8212; that&#8217;s just how executives are) to see things like that.</p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t envision them being forced out. Bleak view? Yup.</p>
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		<title>By: bakomariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/26/comment-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-298387</link>
		<dc:creator>bakomariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Steve T.  But I&#039;m not in love with Steve T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Steve T.  But I&#8217;m not in love with Steve T.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/08/26/comment-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-298385</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not rooting against the M&#039;s because I&#039;m boring; I&#039;m rooting against them because I&#039;m a bad fan.

I hate these Mariners with the flaming passion of hell. I hope they lose every remaining game. I hope they lose them all by embarrassing 20-0 margins. I don&#039;t give a damn about Strasburg. I give a damn about Howard Lincoln and Chuck Armstrong: I want them humiliated. I want them to SUFFER. I want them to lie awake at night weeping silently into their pillows.

Then I want them to be forced out and replaced by people who know the difference between people who can play baseball and people who do not.

Crazy? Maybe. I don&#039;t mind. But not boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not rooting against the M&#8217;s because I&#8217;m boring; I&#8217;m rooting against them because I&#8217;m a bad fan.</p>
<p>I hate these Mariners with the flaming passion of hell. I hope they lose every remaining game. I hope they lose them all by embarrassing 20-0 margins. I don&#8217;t give a damn about Strasburg. I give a damn about Howard Lincoln and Chuck Armstrong: I want them humiliated. I want them to SUFFER. I want them to lie awake at night weeping silently into their pillows.</p>
<p>Then I want them to be forced out and replaced by people who know the difference between people who can play baseball and people who do not.</p>
<p>Crazy? Maybe. I don&#8217;t mind. But not boring.</p>
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		<title>By: MKT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MKT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;1. The gap in value between the first pick and the second pick is usually pretty considerable, no?&quot;

This quote, and similar ones, brings a question to mind:  is there a way to tell when a top draft pick is close to a &quot;sure thing&quot; vs a &quot;risky, but huge upside&quot; gamble?  Examples, perhaps, of the former would be Junior and A-Rod, who were much heralded before they even got drafted, got hyped even more when they got picked, were eagerly anticipated as they progressed through the minors -- and then more than lived up to the hype.  Not so good but still hype-worthy was Darryl Strawberry, who indeed had plenty of talent and some good seasons, but derailed his career with drugs.

And then there&#039;s the Al Chambers and Todd van Poppels and David Clydes of the world, who might make the majors but never amount to much.

All of these players looked good when drafted, some turned out to be as good as advertised and some didn&#039;t:  is there a way to figure out in advance who truly is a &quot;can&#039;t miss&quot; prospect?

Pitchers presumably should never get the &quot;can&#039;t miss&quot; label (TNSTAAPP and all that).  And there&#039;s always the risk of random injury, drug abuse or whatever derailing a career, but aside from unforeseeable happenstance, are there players who we can point to in advance and say they can&#039;t miss?  

In the NBA, there are some &quot;can&#039;t miss&quot; picks such as LeBron James or Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and then there are some #1s who have question marks such as Olowakandi (who turned out to be a bust) and Allen Iverson (who turned out to be good even arguably great).  We can&#039;t predict how the question marks will turn out, but the can&#039;t miss guys are pretty much guaranteed all-stars.

Is Strasburg a &quot;can&#039;t miss&quot; or merely a highly promising prospect?  Is it even possible to tell, in baseball?

If there are no, or very few, &quot;can&#039;t miss&quot; prospects in baseball, then the logic of tanking in order to get the #1 pick doesn&#039;t make much sense.  My guess is that the gap between #1 and #2 isn&#039;t real large overall ... well here&#039;s a non-random sample, ranging from Junior to A-Rod (so it&#039;s a biased sample, because at those two endpoints we know we&#039;ll have big gaps between #1 and #2):

 #1 and #2 Picks, June Regular Draft (from TheBaseBallCube)

1987:  Ken Griffey, Mark Merchant
1988:  Andy Benes, Mark Lewis
1989:  Ben McDonald, Tyler Houston
1990:  Chipper Jones, Tony Clark
1991:  Brien Taylor, Mike Kelly
1992:  Phil Nevin, Paul Shuey
1993:  Alex Rodriguez, Darren Dreifort

Hmm, maybe there IS a big gap between #1 and #2!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1. The gap in value between the first pick and the second pick is usually pretty considerable, no?&#8221;</p>
<p>This quote, and similar ones, brings a question to mind:  is there a way to tell when a top draft pick is close to a &#8220;sure thing&#8221; vs a &#8220;risky, but huge upside&#8221; gamble?  Examples, perhaps, of the former would be Junior and A-Rod, who were much heralded before they even got drafted, got hyped even more when they got picked, were eagerly anticipated as they progressed through the minors &#8212; and then more than lived up to the hype.  Not so good but still hype-worthy was Darryl Strawberry, who indeed had plenty of talent and some good seasons, but derailed his career with drugs.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the Al Chambers and Todd van Poppels and David Clydes of the world, who might make the majors but never amount to much.</p>
<p>All of these players looked good when drafted, some turned out to be as good as advertised and some didn&#8217;t:  is there a way to figure out in advance who truly is a &#8220;can&#8217;t miss&#8221; prospect?</p>
<p>Pitchers presumably should never get the &#8220;can&#8217;t miss&#8221; label (TNSTAAPP and all that).  And there&#8217;s always the risk of random injury, drug abuse or whatever derailing a career, but aside from unforeseeable happenstance, are there players who we can point to in advance and say they can&#8217;t miss?  </p>
<p>In the NBA, there are some &#8220;can&#8217;t miss&#8221; picks such as LeBron James or Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and then there are some #1s who have question marks such as Olowakandi (who turned out to be a bust) and Allen Iverson (who turned out to be good even arguably great).  We can&#8217;t predict how the question marks will turn out, but the can&#8217;t miss guys are pretty much guaranteed all-stars.</p>
<p>Is Strasburg a &#8220;can&#8217;t miss&#8221; or merely a highly promising prospect?  Is it even possible to tell, in baseball?</p>
<p>If there are no, or very few, &#8220;can&#8217;t miss&#8221; prospects in baseball, then the logic of tanking in order to get the #1 pick doesn&#8217;t make much sense.  My guess is that the gap between #1 and #2 isn&#8217;t real large overall &#8230; well here&#8217;s a non-random sample, ranging from Junior to A-Rod (so it&#8217;s a biased sample, because at those two endpoints we know we&#8217;ll have big gaps between #1 and #2):</p>
<p> #1 and #2 Picks, June Regular Draft (from TheBaseBallCube)</p>
<p>1987:  Ken Griffey, Mark Merchant<br />
1988:  Andy Benes, Mark Lewis<br />
1989:  Ben McDonald, Tyler Houston<br />
1990:  Chipper Jones, Tony Clark<br />
1991:  Brien Taylor, Mike Kelly<br />
1992:  Phil Nevin, Paul Shuey<br />
1993:  Alex Rodriguez, Darren Dreifort</p>
<p>Hmm, maybe there IS a big gap between #1 and #2!</p>
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		<title>By: John in L.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in L.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;M&#039;s Finish Surprisingly Strong, Lincoln/Armstrong Pleased With Direction, Lee P Named GM. Rumored extensions for Ibanez and Washburn.&quot;

&quot;M&#039;s Finally End Historically Bad Season, Fire Lincoln/Armstrong. New GM Antonetti Promises New Direction. Ibanez and Washburn Newest Yankees?&quot;

Burn, baby, burn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;M&#8217;s Finish Surprisingly Strong, Lincoln/Armstrong Pleased With Direction, Lee P Named GM. Rumored extensions for Ibanez and Washburn.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;M&#8217;s Finally End Historically Bad Season, Fire Lincoln/Armstrong. New GM Antonetti Promises New Direction. Ibanez and Washburn Newest Yankees?&#8221;</p>
<p>Burn, baby, burn.</p>
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		<title>By: rsrobinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>rsrobinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll never root for the M&#039;s to lose but I wouldn&#039;t mind seeing them hitting the disgraceful 100 million dollar/100 loss mark either in order to keep pressure on the organization to make changes at the top.  It&#039;s a paradox, I know, but there ya go.  

We should be able to draft a decent prospect this year in the #2 or #3 spot so I&#039;m not as concerned about who we draft as much as who the M&#039;s have in the front office doing the drafting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll never root for the M&#8217;s to lose but I wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing them hitting the disgraceful 100 million dollar/100 loss mark either in order to keep pressure on the organization to make changes at the top.  It&#8217;s a paradox, I know, but there ya go.  </p>
<p>We should be able to draft a decent prospect this year in the #2 or #3 spot so I&#8217;m not as concerned about who we draft as much as who the M&#8217;s have in the front office doing the drafting.</p>
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		<title>By: Slippery Elmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slippery Elmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DMZ, thanks for answering my query in the #131 game thread regarding Strasburg and slotting.  I was not clear on how that worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DMZ, thanks for answering my query in the #131 game thread regarding Strasburg and slotting.  I was not clear on how that worked.</p>
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