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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/02/signs-things-are-going-right/comment-page-1/#comment-299174</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actual payroll is generally lower than what the team claims they&#039;re spending, but the math never works out no matter which of their numbers you use.  DMZ has written on this several times, but the only article I can find quickly is the second one &lt;a href=&quot;http://ussmariner.com/index.php?s=inflate+payroll&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (from a few years back).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actual payroll is generally lower than what the team claims they&#8217;re spending, but the math never works out no matter which of their numbers you use.  DMZ has written on this several times, but the only article I can find quickly is the second one <a href="http://ussmariner.com/index.php?s=inflate+payroll" rel="nofollow">here</a> (from a few years back).</p>
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		<title>By: DAMellen</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/02/signs-things-are-going-right/comment-page-1/#comment-299173</link>
		<dc:creator>DAMellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They lie about our payroll?  So what&#039;s our actual payroll?  Higher?  Lower?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They lie about our payroll?  So what&#8217;s our actual payroll?  Higher?  Lower?</p>
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		<title>By: Capo</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/02/signs-things-are-going-right/comment-page-1/#comment-299134</link>
		<dc:creator>Capo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post.... I know some of the stuff was going to be obvious (well, actually a lot of it).... but at the same time I was thinking of maybe some more subtle things people might otherwise overlook, and you covered everything.

I was thinking that the problem is so deeply rooted that nothing short of a change in ownership, and a total change in front office philosophy is going to help us....which has me terrified for the future of this team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post&#8230;. I know some of the stuff was going to be obvious (well, actually a lot of it)&#8230;. but at the same time I was thinking of maybe some more subtle things people might otherwise overlook, and you covered everything.</p>
<p>I was thinking that the problem is so deeply rooted that nothing short of a change in ownership, and a total change in front office philosophy is going to help us&#8230;.which has me terrified for the future of this team.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/02/signs-things-are-going-right/comment-page-1/#comment-299133</link>
		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I think Burke is gone. They have young catchers waiting for a shot, and Joh got that crappy extension. Even though Burke has done a decent job, they probably won’t have three catchers again next year. Unless they plan on having Clement DH and Joh and Burke as the backstops. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Roles, again.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Would we really want Cashman? The Yankees are always good, but he’s done it with a lot more money. And they haven’t had a lot of home grown players since the crew that won the World Series. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Didn&#039;t Kim Ng also have a part in that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I think Burke is gone. They have young catchers waiting for a shot, and Joh got that crappy extension. Even though Burke has done a decent job, they probably won’t have three catchers again next year. Unless they plan on having Clement DH and Joh and Burke as the backstops. </p></blockquote>
<p>Roles, again.</p>
<blockquote><p>Would we really want Cashman? The Yankees are always good, but he’s done it with a lot more money. And they haven’t had a lot of home grown players since the crew that won the World Series. </p></blockquote>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Kim Ng also have a part in that?</p>
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		<title>By: bakomariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/02/signs-things-are-going-right/comment-page-1/#comment-299130</link>
		<dc:creator>bakomariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Burke is gone.  They have young catchers waiting for a shot, and Joh got that crappy extension.  Even though Burke has done a decent job, they probably won&#039;t have three catchers again next year.  Unless they plan on having Clement DH and Joh and Burke as the backstops.

Washburn and Batista will probably be traded when the new GM is announced.  They suck, but were both getting looks this year from different teams.

I think the rotation will be Felix, Bedard, Silva, RRS and Morrow.  

If Batista is around, it will probably in the pen or an emergency starter.

But I&#039;m usually wrong though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Burke is gone.  They have young catchers waiting for a shot, and Joh got that crappy extension.  Even though Burke has done a decent job, they probably won&#8217;t have three catchers again next year.  Unless they plan on having Clement DH and Joh and Burke as the backstops.</p>
<p>Washburn and Batista will probably be traded when the new GM is announced.  They suck, but were both getting looks this year from different teams.</p>
<p>I think the rotation will be Felix, Bedard, Silva, RRS and Morrow.  </p>
<p>If Batista is around, it will probably in the pen or an emergency starter.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m usually wrong though.</p>
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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/02/signs-things-are-going-right/comment-page-1/#comment-299129</link>
		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see an ability to foresee problems and get rid of them in the offseason, instead of waiting for the ponies to prove to be as mythical as we all believe them to be.  

The best example last winter was the &quot;Richie Sexson as Comeback Player of the Year&quot; crap.  But they also didn&#039;t make a serious move to sell Vidro and Batista high; instead, they penciled them in for the same results (as luck-based as they were) this year as last.  

If all three of Washburn, Silva and Batista are on the Opening Day roster and in the rotation, that would be an indication that they&#039;re still believing in magic.  If both Burke and Johjima are on the Opening Day roster, that would be an indication they&#039;re still in a rut.  I don&#039;t think they will be able to, because the injury issue has hit him so hard, but I&#039;d love to consider moving Putz, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see an ability to foresee problems and get rid of them in the offseason, instead of waiting for the ponies to prove to be as mythical as we all believe them to be.  </p>
<p>The best example last winter was the &#8220;Richie Sexson as Comeback Player of the Year&#8221; crap.  But they also didn&#8217;t make a serious move to sell Vidro and Batista high; instead, they penciled them in for the same results (as luck-based as they were) this year as last.  </p>
<p>If all three of Washburn, Silva and Batista are on the Opening Day roster and in the rotation, that would be an indication that they&#8217;re still believing in magic.  If both Burke and Johjima are on the Opening Day roster, that would be an indication they&#8217;re still in a rut.  I don&#8217;t think they will be able to, because the injury issue has hit him so hard, but I&#8217;d love to consider moving Putz, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Xteve X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xteve X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I realize that Jose Lopez has some defensive questions but his bat has also been clutch this year. If the M’s could find a good defensive 2nd baseman, who can hit in the .260 range and takes walks, they can either move Lopez to DH, if Ibanez isn’t signed, or 3rd Base if Beltre is traded. 

If neither of these options are possible maybe try him at first as the Tigers did with Jose Guillen. &quot;

Lopez doesn&#039;t have enough power or patience to hold down a corner infield or DH spot, IMO. Any team should be able to put a 25 HR threat, .280/.350/.450 player in any of those positions without having to settle for a converted middle infielder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I realize that Jose Lopez has some defensive questions but his bat has also been clutch this year. If the M’s could find a good defensive 2nd baseman, who can hit in the .260 range and takes walks, they can either move Lopez to DH, if Ibanez isn’t signed, or 3rd Base if Beltre is traded. </p>
<p>If neither of these options are possible maybe try him at first as the Tigers did with Jose Guillen. &#8221;</p>
<p>Lopez doesn&#8217;t have enough power or patience to hold down a corner infield or DH spot, IMO. Any team should be able to put a 25 HR threat, .280/.350/.450 player in any of those positions without having to settle for a converted middle infielder.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/02/signs-things-are-going-right/comment-page-1/#comment-299120</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a rumor going around that Gillick is looking to move upstairs, and the likely candidate franchises are Toronto and Seattle (since he still owns a house here).  I could see the M&#039;s doing that (and easing Armstrong out) as a signal that things are really going to be different this time.  

So I&#039;m not advocating Cashman, but I&#039;m suggesting if Gillick was running things there&#039;s a good chance he&#039;d try to hire him since they&#039;re old friends (and since it looks like the Yankees are going to miss the postseason for the first time in 14 years, he may very well be the sacrificial lamb looking for work).  I don&#039;t think we honestly know what Cashman would be like as a GM in an organization without meddling owners.  I don&#039;t know that he&#039;d create the kind of voracious info-centric organization that might be built by someone more familiar with, say, the Indians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a rumor going around that Gillick is looking to move upstairs, and the likely candidate franchises are Toronto and Seattle (since he still owns a house here).  I could see the M&#8217;s doing that (and easing Armstrong out) as a signal that things are really going to be different this time.  </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not advocating Cashman, but I&#8217;m suggesting if Gillick was running things there&#8217;s a good chance he&#8217;d try to hire him since they&#8217;re old friends (and since it looks like the Yankees are going to miss the postseason for the first time in 14 years, he may very well be the sacrificial lamb looking for work).  I don&#8217;t think we honestly know what Cashman would be like as a GM in an organization without meddling owners.  I don&#8217;t know that he&#8217;d create the kind of voracious info-centric organization that might be built by someone more familiar with, say, the Indians.</p>
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		<title>By: bakomariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>bakomariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would we really want Cashman?  The Yankees are always good, but he&#039;s done it with a lot more money.  And they haven&#039;t had a lot of home grown players since the crew that won the World Series.  Is that from his philosophy or his bosses?  Would he be more inclined to keep overpaying aging veterans or to build through the draft?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would we really want Cashman?  The Yankees are always good, but he&#8217;s done it with a lot more money.  And they haven&#8217;t had a lot of home grown players since the crew that won the World Series.  Is that from his philosophy or his bosses?  Would he be more inclined to keep overpaying aging veterans or to build through the draft?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what would it be a sign of if -- speaking hypothetically here -- the M&#039;s first move of the offseason is to hire Gillick to replace &lt;i&gt;Armstrong&lt;/i&gt;, and Gillick turns around and hires (say) Cashman as the GM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what would it be a sign of if &#8212; speaking hypothetically here &#8212; the M&#8217;s first move of the offseason is to hire Gillick to replace <i>Armstrong</i>, and Gillick turns around and hires (say) Cashman as the GM?</p>
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