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		<title>By: maybemaybe</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/05/more-morrow-graphing/comment-page-1/#comment-299723</link>
		<dc:creator>maybemaybe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over here in Japan I was actually able to watch the game. Morrow was dominating that lineup.  I just hope that that was a sign to come. Why do I see the FO trading him away for some stupid reason.  Anybody have any idea if Bedard is done for the year?  I am guessing yes but that is my guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over here in Japan I was actually able to watch the game. Morrow was dominating that lineup.  I just hope that that was a sign to come. Why do I see the FO trading him away for some stupid reason.  Anybody have any idea if Bedard is done for the year?  I am guessing yes but that is my guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is, that there isn&#039;t some special, different skill that is required to get major league hitters out.

You just have to be better at using the same skills that let you get minor league hitters out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is, that there isn&#8217;t some special, different skill that is required to get major league hitters out.</p>
<p>You just have to be better at using the same skills that let you get minor league hitters out.</p>
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		<title>By: MKT</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/05/more-morrow-graphing/comment-page-1/#comment-299680</link>
		<dc:creator>MKT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It takes the same thing to get a major league hitter out that it takes to get a minor league hitter out; good pitches.&quot;

It takes BETTER pitches to get the major leaguers out.  

Otherwise, AAA pitching stats would translate directly to major league stats, with adjustments only for park and not for league level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It takes the same thing to get a major league hitter out that it takes to get a minor league hitter out; good pitches.&#8221;</p>
<p>It takes BETTER pitches to get the major leaguers out.  </p>
<p>Otherwise, AAA pitching stats would translate directly to major league stats, with adjustments only for park and not for league level.</p>
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		<title>By: jlc</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/05/more-morrow-graphing/comment-page-1/#comment-299679</link>
		<dc:creator>jlc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, damn, damn, I didn&#039;t get to see or hear the game last night, so THANK YOU (emphasis intended) for giving me a taste of it.

Thank God Morrow&#039;s been added to the list of starters. I understand the impulse to give up on the team, not attend games, etc., but this is exactly the reason that impulse doesn&#039;t work for me. There are a few Mariners who are capable of giving you a gem of an evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, damn, damn, I didn&#8217;t get to see or hear the game last night, so THANK YOU (emphasis intended) for giving me a taste of it.</p>
<p>Thank God Morrow&#8217;s been added to the list of starters. I understand the impulse to give up on the team, not attend games, etc., but this is exactly the reason that impulse doesn&#8217;t work for me. There are a few Mariners who are capable of giving you a gem of an evening.</p>
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		<title>By: CCW</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Morrow&#039;s fastball is *better* than Felix&#039;s so, it isn&#039;t quite as big of a deal with him.  Felix&#039;s fastball is his third best pitch.  Morrow&#039;s fastball is his best pitch.  Slightly different situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Morrow&#8217;s fastball is *better* than Felix&#8217;s so, it isn&#8217;t quite as big of a deal with him.  Felix&#8217;s fastball is his third best pitch.  Morrow&#8217;s fastball is his best pitch.  Slightly different situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/05/more-morrow-graphing/comment-page-1/#comment-299676</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes the same thing to get a major league hitter out that it takes to get a minor league hitter out; good pitches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes the same thing to get a major league hitter out that it takes to get a minor league hitter out; good pitches.</p>
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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/05/more-morrow-graphing/comment-page-1/#comment-299675</link>
		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thought about the handling of Morrow&#039;s career:  wasn&#039;t it actually a good idea that Morrow was sent down to Tacoma to start only after he had learned to dominate major league hitters in a closer role?  The M&#039;s have a long history of starters who dominate in the PCL and then crash and burn in the majors, or turn into middle relievers, or blow out their arms.  Morrow had a real understanding, before he was sent down to concentrate on the transition, of what it takes to get a major league hitter out, and the difference between that and some kid at Portland or Colorado Springs, or some washed up former major leaguer just filling a spot.  

I&#039;m not saying I&#039;d recommend this to everyone, but it&#039;s at least worth thinking about, particularly given Morrow&#039;s struggles with control early in his career, whether the M&#039;s didn&#039;t in fact handle this correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thought about the handling of Morrow&#8217;s career:  wasn&#8217;t it actually a good idea that Morrow was sent down to Tacoma to start only after he had learned to dominate major league hitters in a closer role?  The M&#8217;s have a long history of starters who dominate in the PCL and then crash and burn in the majors, or turn into middle relievers, or blow out their arms.  Morrow had a real understanding, before he was sent down to concentrate on the transition, of what it takes to get a major league hitter out, and the difference between that and some kid at Portland or Colorado Springs, or some washed up former major leaguer just filling a spot.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;d recommend this to everyone, but it&#8217;s at least worth thinking about, particularly given Morrow&#8217;s struggles with control early in his career, whether the M&#8217;s didn&#8217;t in fact handle this correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: okobojicat</title>
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		<dc:creator>okobojicat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the game and it was great, even though I was surrounded by Yankees fans. 

The most dominating thing I thought about Morrow was his ability to minimize his pitch count, thus actually get to the eighth inning. With how patient the Yankees are, I thought that was the most important part of the game.

Also, how many 1st pitch swing and misses did he get. Its seemed to be outrageously high, which means he was fooling a ton of people with those first pitch curveballs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the game and it was great, even though I was surrounded by Yankees fans. </p>
<p>The most dominating thing I thought about Morrow was his ability to minimize his pitch count, thus actually get to the eighth inning. With how patient the Yankees are, I thought that was the most important part of the game.</p>
<p>Also, how many 1st pitch swing and misses did he get. Its seemed to be outrageously high, which means he was fooling a ton of people with those first pitch curveballs.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was amused to see the Replacement Level Yankees blog (&quot;It has been 2871 days, 13 hours, 44 minutes, and 12 seconds since the New York Yankees have won a World Series&quot;) didn&#039;t even have a game thread up. Not surprising for a west coast game against a bottom-dwelling team with the postseason looking out of reach, but I still would&#039;ve loved to read their comments and wallow in the schadenfreude.

So I&#039;ll drop some choice quotes from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/sports/baseball/06yankees.html?em&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NYTimes&lt;/a&gt;
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Morrow’s fastball hummed all night, and the Yankees looked completely overmatched. In the seventh, Morrow struck out Alex Rodriguez on three pitches — a curveball (swinging), an inside fastball (looking) and another inside fastball, at 95 m.p.h., for a swinging third strike.

“I guess he’s throwing like he threw when he was in the bullpen — he’s just doing it for a longer period of time,” Jeter said. “He’s throwing 97, an overpowering fastball, and as the game went on, he started mixing in more breaking balls and off-speed stuff. He was coming after us.”
...
“His stuff was electric,” Yankees Manager Joe Girardi said. “You talk about trying to be patient with a guy, but he was strike, strike, strike with all his pitches. We were 0-1 all night.”

Even so, Morrow’s pitch count was a problem for Mariners Manager Jim Riggleman. Morrow’s high in the minors was 82 pitches over six innings last Sunday, and he was scheduled to throw no more than 90 this time. By the eighth, Morrow was tiring.

“My arm felt good, but physically, I was exhausted,” he said. “If I got through that eighth, Riggleman was going to have a tough decision. I think he would have given me a shot to finish it.”

Riggleman said he was leaning that way, but acknowledged it would have been a tough decision. Still, he said, “I wish we’d been in position to make that call.”

Morrow’s effort was remarkable enough as it was. The last pitcher to carry a no-hitter deeper into a game in his first major league start was Boston’s Billy Rohr, who lost a no-hitter with two outs in the ninth inning at Yankee Stadium on April 14, 1967. Elston Howard spoiled that bid with a single.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was amused to see the Replacement Level Yankees blog (&#8221;It has been 2871 days, 13 hours, 44 minutes, and 12 seconds since the New York Yankees have won a World Series&#8221;) didn&#8217;t even have a game thread up. Not surprising for a west coast game against a bottom-dwelling team with the postseason looking out of reach, but I still would&#8217;ve loved to read their comments and wallow in the schadenfreude.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ll drop some choice quotes from the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/sports/baseball/06yankees.html?em" rel="nofollow">NYTimes</a></p>
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Morrow’s fastball hummed all night, and the Yankees looked completely overmatched. In the seventh, Morrow struck out Alex Rodriguez on three pitches — a curveball (swinging), an inside fastball (looking) and another inside fastball, at 95 m.p.h., for a swinging third strike.</p>
<p>“I guess he’s throwing like he threw when he was in the bullpen — he’s just doing it for a longer period of time,” Jeter said. “He’s throwing 97, an overpowering fastball, and as the game went on, he started mixing in more breaking balls and off-speed stuff. He was coming after us.”<br />
&#8230;<br />
“His stuff was electric,” Yankees Manager Joe Girardi said. “You talk about trying to be patient with a guy, but he was strike, strike, strike with all his pitches. We were 0-1 all night.”</p>
<p>Even so, Morrow’s pitch count was a problem for Mariners Manager Jim Riggleman. Morrow’s high in the minors was 82 pitches over six innings last Sunday, and he was scheduled to throw no more than 90 this time. By the eighth, Morrow was tiring.</p>
<p>“My arm felt good, but physically, I was exhausted,” he said. “If I got through that eighth, Riggleman was going to have a tough decision. I think he would have given me a shot to finish it.”</p>
<p>Riggleman said he was leaning that way, but acknowledged it would have been a tough decision. Still, he said, “I wish we’d been in position to make that call.”</p>
<p>Morrow’s effort was remarkable enough as it was. The last pitcher to carry a no-hitter deeper into a game in his first major league start was Boston’s Billy Rohr, who lost a no-hitter with two outs in the ninth inning at Yankee Stadium on April 14, 1967. Elston Howard spoiled that bid with a single.
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		<title>By: Steve T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t raining! It&#039;s not raining to say he&#039;s not going to almost no-hit every team he faces for the rest of eternity!

For a variety of stupid reasons I spent most of the game driving up and down the Viaduct listening to the radio. It was the first time in a while that I wished I was inside the stadium just a few feet away....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t raining! It&#8217;s not raining to say he&#8217;s not going to almost no-hit every team he faces for the rest of eternity!</p>
<p>For a variety of stupid reasons I spent most of the game driving up and down the Viaduct listening to the radio. It was the first time in a while that I wished I was inside the stadium just a few feet away&#8230;.</p>
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