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	<title>Comments on: A Eulogy for Adrian</title>
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		<title>By: Xteve X</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/14/a-eulogy-for-adrian/comment-page-1/#comment-300302</link>
		<dc:creator>Xteve X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I just like the guy. I know “good in the clubhouse” and “team leader” get short shrift around here, but I don’t see who will be a vocal team leader if both Raul and Adrian are gone.&quot;

With all due respect, who cares? 

In terms of all of the holes that need filling on this roster &#039;gritty vocal clubhouse leader&#039; is so far down the list it scarcely bears mentioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I just like the guy. I know “good in the clubhouse” and “team leader” get short shrift around here, but I don’t see who will be a vocal team leader if both Raul and Adrian are gone.&#8221;</p>
<p>With all due respect, who cares? </p>
<p>In terms of all of the holes that need filling on this roster &#8216;gritty vocal clubhouse leader&#8217; is so far down the list it scarcely bears mentioning.</p>
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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me wrong, I love Adrian.  I love the fact that for four years third base, which had been a problem since Edgar encountered the soft batter&#039;s box at BC Place Stadium in spring training, 1993, was a strength and not a problem.  I love the look on his face when he&#039;s locked in at the plate.  I love the way he will find a way like a contortionist to make a difficult throw off-balance or on his knees, and will whip the same seed to first he will on a routine play.  

But if Adrian leaving is part of a real plan, and includes some serious return for the trade, I&#039;m all for it.  Needless to say, that implies a competent GM with no interference from Chuck and Howie, who will hopefully be hanging gold watches in their new offices nearer to Nintendo than Edgar Martinez Drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I love Adrian.  I love the fact that for four years third base, which had been a problem since Edgar encountered the soft batter&#8217;s box at BC Place Stadium in spring training, 1993, was a strength and not a problem.  I love the look on his face when he&#8217;s locked in at the plate.  I love the way he will find a way like a contortionist to make a difficult throw off-balance or on his knees, and will whip the same seed to first he will on a routine play.  </p>
<p>But if Adrian leaving is part of a real plan, and includes some serious return for the trade, I&#8217;m all for it.  Needless to say, that implies a competent GM with no interference from Chuck and Howie, who will hopefully be hanging gold watches in their new offices nearer to Nintendo than Edgar Martinez Drive.</p>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just like the guy. I know &quot;good in the clubhouse&quot; and &quot;team leader&quot; get short shrift around here, but I don&#039;t see who will be a vocal team leader if both Raul and Adrian are gone.

OTOH, the thing that makes me willing to move him while there&#039;s something to be gained is &quot;Agent: Scott Boras&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just like the guy. I know &#8220;good in the clubhouse&#8221; and &#8220;team leader&#8221; get short shrift around here, but I don&#8217;t see who will be a vocal team leader if both Raul and Adrian are gone.</p>
<p>OTOH, the thing that makes me willing to move him while there&#8217;s something to be gained is &#8220;Agent: Scott Boras&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/14/a-eulogy-for-adrian/comment-page-1/#comment-300283</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C. Cheetah said:  &lt;em&gt;&quot;Heck, I bet this FO trades Beltre BEFORE the new GM is hired…&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Now that would be really brilliant, just something Chuckie and Howie would endorse.  Trade a guy who&#039;s still in a shoulder sling and a hand cast, while his value is absolutely at rock bottom because he&#039;s &quot;injured and in rehab&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C. Cheetah said:  <em>&#8220;Heck, I bet this FO trades Beltre BEFORE the new GM is hired…&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Now that would be really brilliant, just something Chuckie and Howie would endorse.  Trade a guy who&#8217;s still in a shoulder sling and a hand cast, while his value is absolutely at rock bottom because he&#8217;s &#8220;injured and in rehab&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew_s_c</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew_s_c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be a shame for the M&#039;s to sell low on Beltre after how they handled the Washburn negotiations. 

A shame, but not a surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be a shame for the M&#8217;s to sell low on Beltre after how they handled the Washburn negotiations. </p>
<p>A shame, but not a surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: dnc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post, Dave. I&#039;ve loved Adrian since his time with the Dodgers, and have always hated the ignorant &quot;bust&quot; criticism. Adrian&#039;s a very good player who plays hard, plays though injury, and is a class act. The irony is he&#039;s exactly the &quot;gamer&quot; the media pretends they want, but since he had one great season, gets paid a lot of money, and isn&#039;t white, no one notices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post, Dave. I&#8217;ve loved Adrian since his time with the Dodgers, and have always hated the ignorant &#8220;bust&#8221; criticism. Adrian&#8217;s a very good player who plays hard, plays though injury, and is a class act. The irony is he&#8217;s exactly the &#8220;gamer&#8221; the media pretends they want, but since he had one great season, gets paid a lot of money, and isn&#8217;t white, no one notices.</p>
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		<title>By: ConorGlassey</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConorGlassey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but shouldn’t that be “An Eulogy” not “A Eulogy.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/esliart.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nope.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but shouldn’t that be “An Eulogy” not “A Eulogy.”</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/esliart.html" rel="nofollow">Nope.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IF they could get something of equal value for Adrian, then maybe they could move Lopez to third as that would be a smaller shift on the defensive spectrum for him than all the way to left field or firstbase.  IF they could then come up with a good defensive second baseman who could hit just a little, then it might work out OK.

That&#039;s two mighty big IF&#039;s in there, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF they could get something of equal value for Adrian, then maybe they could move Lopez to third as that would be a smaller shift on the defensive spectrum for him than all the way to left field or firstbase.  IF they could then come up with a good defensive second baseman who could hit just a little, then it might work out OK.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s two mighty big IF&#8217;s in there, though.</p>
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		<title>By: TumwaterMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>TumwaterMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but shouldn&#039;t that be &quot;An Eulogy&quot; not &quot;A Eulogy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but shouldn&#8217;t that be &#8220;An Eulogy&#8221; not &#8220;A Eulogy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NF</title>
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		<dc:creator>NF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the following happening next year whether we trade Adrian or not. A healthy Adrian comes back and hits 40 or so HR&#039;s. We then have to spend months hearing about how Adrian dogged it here for the beginning of the contract and how he&#039;s only playing well now because &quot;he&#039;s in a contract year&quot;. If I hear that once, I&#039;ll be really sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the following happening next year whether we trade Adrian or not. A healthy Adrian comes back and hits 40 or so HR&#8217;s. We then have to spend months hearing about how Adrian dogged it here for the beginning of the contract and how he&#8217;s only playing well now because &#8220;he&#8217;s in a contract year&#8221;. If I hear that once, I&#8217;ll be really sad.</p>
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