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	<title>Comments on: Three views of a start</title>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/18/three-views-of-a-start/comment-page-1/#comment-300772</link>
		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find Excel graphing pretty frustrating: anyone who wants to help me graph it on a &quot;single, 3-axis graph&quot; is welcome to. I was fooling around with getting the pitches to color-code by velocity.

w/r/t L/R: I see. In general, I think I agree, though the &quot;shouldn&#039;t we&quot; made me think there was something wrong with the graph rather than a feature request.

The gameday data&#039;s out there -- you&#039;re welcome to crunch it yourself. I thought presenting it like this w/o a breakdown was interesting enough to warrant the post. Maybe next time I&#039;ll see if I can break it out L/R if that&#039;s interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Excel graphing pretty frustrating: anyone who wants to help me graph it on a &#8220;single, 3-axis graph&#8221; is welcome to. I was fooling around with getting the pitches to color-code by velocity.</p>
<p>w/r/t L/R: I see. In general, I think I agree, though the &#8220;shouldn&#8217;t we&#8221; made me think there was something wrong with the graph rather than a feature request.</p>
<p>The gameday data&#8217;s out there &#8212; you&#8217;re welcome to crunch it yourself. I thought presenting it like this w/o a breakdown was interesting enough to warrant the post. Maybe next time I&#8217;ll see if I can break it out L/R if that&#8217;s interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why?&lt;/i&gt;

Do we think Felix uses the same pitch selection for lefties that he does for righties?  Does he have the same success with both?  If the goal of this is to try to see what makes Felix a better pitcher, and we think pitch selection is a big part of that, and his pitch selection is different for different-handed batters....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why?</i></p>
<p>Do we think Felix uses the same pitch selection for lefties that he does for righties?  Does he have the same success with both?  If the goal of this is to try to see what makes Felix a better pitcher, and we think pitch selection is a big part of that, and his pitch selection is different for different-handed batters&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MrIncognito</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/18/three-views-of-a-start/comment-page-1/#comment-300768</link>
		<dc:creator>MrIncognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this would add to the difficulty in constructing the post, but I feel like the graphs comparing break to velocity would be significantly more interesting if it were plotted on a single, 3 axis graph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this would add to the difficulty in constructing the post, but I feel like the graphs comparing break to velocity would be significantly more interesting if it were plotted on a single, 3 axis graph.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew23</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the movement on those pitches is the same, then varying velocity becomes a necessity for success. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

How do we know this?

Couldn&#039;t location be just as useful if not more useful than speed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the movement on those pitches is the same, then varying velocity becomes a necessity for success. </p></blockquote>
<p>How do we know this?</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t location be just as useful if not more useful than speed?</p>
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		<title>By: Xteve X</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/18/three-views-of-a-start/comment-page-1/#comment-300760</link>
		<dc:creator>Xteve X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can somebody run this through an Old Baseball Guy babelfish translator so that The God Miracle Mel can understand it and then relay it to Felix?&quot;

I tried, but the Babel fish translation no matter how I word it is &quot;Establish the fastball.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can somebody run this through an Old Baseball Guy babelfish translator so that The God Miracle Mel can understand it and then relay it to Felix?&#8221;</p>
<p>I tried, but the Babel fish translation no matter how I word it is &#8220;Establish the fastball.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why?</description>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t we be looking at two versions of each graph, one when facing right-handed hitters and one when facing lefties?</description>
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		<title>By: Steve T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, these pitch fx graphs are the very first graphs of pitching data I&#039;ve ever seen that really turns a light on inside. Seeing the same data from three directions helps immensely, too. I&#039;ve seen &quot;data&quot; like this before, which was at least partly imaginary, and probably wishful thinking. These look totally real, and totally alive.

I want to print them out and study them. I want Dave to weigh in too, at length; preferably tremendous length. I think it&#039;s exciting stuff, not because we haven&#039;t seen the data before but because a picture really is worth a thousand words, and these graphs are almost like holding the entire game in your hand.

Great stuff, Derek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, these pitch fx graphs are the very first graphs of pitching data I&#8217;ve ever seen that really turns a light on inside. Seeing the same data from three directions helps immensely, too. I&#8217;ve seen &#8220;data&#8221; like this before, which was at least partly imaginary, and probably wishful thinking. These look totally real, and totally alive.</p>
<p>I want to print them out and study them. I want Dave to weigh in too, at length; preferably tremendous length. I think it&#8217;s exciting stuff, not because we haven&#8217;t seen the data before but because a picture really is worth a thousand words, and these graphs are almost like holding the entire game in your hand.</p>
<p>Great stuff, Derek.</p>
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		<title>By: OppositeField</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can somebody run this through an Old Baseball Guy babelfish translator so that The God Miracle Mel can understand it and then relay it to Felix?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can somebody run this through an Old Baseball Guy babelfish translator so that The God Miracle Mel can understand it and then relay it to Felix?</p>
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