26 innings and counting
Dave · September 19, 2008 at 9:39 pm · Filed Under Mariners
The M’s haven’t scored a run since the first inning of their game on Wednesday. The Tacoma quartet (Lahair/Tui/Valbuena/Johnson) just don’t resemble anything like major league players, which shouldn’t be a huge surprise, since none of them were all that great in Triple-A.
The new GM is going to have to bring in about 15 new players this winter.
do you have this year’s bargain shopping list ready yet?
Just for giggles, what is the major league record of most consecutive scoreless innings for an entire team? If we’re going to suck, we might as well suck on a historical scale. This could get good.
Not sure, Benne, but I went through every team’s game log and the most this season is 31 by the Blue Jays (May 9-12).
Here’s the list of all the teams that have put zeros on the board for 20 or more consecutive innings:
Blue Jays: 31 (May 9-12)
Mariners: 26 (Sept. 17-19)
Nationals: 26 (July 25-29)
Royals: 26 (April 10-12)
Nationals: 25 (Aug. 7-10)
Rockies: 25 (July 11-17)
Dodgers: 24 (June 11-14)
Mariners: 24 (May 6-9)
Giants: 23 (July 28-30)
Angels: 22 (Aug. 21-23)
Giants: 21 (July 8-10)
Rays: 20 (Sept. 7-9)
Phillies: 20 (Aug. 6-8)
Angels: 20 (June 25-29)
Angels: 20 (May 9-11)
So all we need to do is go scoreless for 6 innings in our next game and we’ll have the record for this season. Awesome. I have total faith that the boys can pull it off.
as if i don’t need another kick in the nuts, right after reading that we need about 15 new players, I zipped over to fangraph’s scoreboard . . . to see that Shin Soo Choo belted another homer and now has a .950 OPS on the season. So um, were those the kind of players you were referring to? Imagine if we still had Jones, Choo, and Cabrera. Holy crap, amazing what a better position we would be in. Still a ways to go, but not utterly buried.
The current streak ranks third-worst all-time for the M’s.
29 innings is the worst (June 7-11, 2004)
27 is second-worst (April 6-9, 2006)
why am I not surprised that all three of the top scoreless innings streaks were in the Bavasi era . . .
Choo hit two home runs last night! He was out until after the all-star break because of shoulder surgery.
He is still only 26.
2008 STATS
BA HR RBI OBP SLG OBS
.307 13 57 .394 .557 .952
Makes you think there were at least a couple of guys who were sorry to see Bavasi go. Unfortunately, they work in the front office in Cleveland.
Pfff, Choo had his shot at the bigs. 29 AB, 2 hits. ‘Nuff said. No one could have predicted this offensive rebirth after that.
This is clearly not Bavasi’s fault.
Choo is running a BABIP (batting average on balls in play) of .364 and a LD% of 19.4. In general, we expect BABIP to be ~12% higher than LD%, indicating that a more reasonable number for him this year would be something like .314. His numbers don’t look so amazing when you take away a good chunk of his hits and turn them into outs.
Where he’s really improved is in his approach at the plate. Since the last time he had significant playing time in Cleveland, he’s taking more pitches, making contact when he does swing more often, and his called strike/ball ratio has improved as well.
So there’s been a real improvement (in terms of production), but with a BABIP that high, luck is certainly playing a huge factor.
Choo is not this good.
Although, even if Choo’s true talent level is more like a mid .800 OPS, combined with what I am guessing is pretty decent defense (not to mention his cannon arm), he would still be a pretty valuable asset, one that the team could use, no? Painful to think what could have been with a Choo/Ichiro/Jones OF. That would’ve helped out the flyball pitchers immensely (not to mention having one of the best throwing OF’s in recent memory), and it would’ve had decent offense to go with it.
Or are you saying that Choo’s true talent level isn’t even mid .800’s at this point? Is there a rough estimate as to what his OPS would be if his BABIP were .314?
Choo’s prOPS is .875 after last night.
prOPS, which is a rough estimate of what his OPS should be with luck normalised, has Choo at .875 so far, which is still outstanding.
However, 330ish plate appearances of an .875 OPS talent level means we should revise expectations of his actual talent a little ways upward, not assume that he’s a mid .800s true talent guy. He’s never shown anything like the potential to do this before, so don’t get caught up in just looking at his last set of results. Last year he OPS’d .703 in AAA.
And unless his defence has really come along from what it was like in Seattle, it’s not all that good.
Ummmm.. the Tacoma quartet isn’t supposed to look like Major leaguers. They are here getting a chance since we have no chance at the playoffs. This is what most crappy teams do in September.. little bit of baseball knowledge for ya.
killer
all a rookie gets is 29 lousy abs ???
tough crowd ..
Painful to think what could have been with a Choo/Ichiro/Jones OF
What amazes me is that Bavasi managed to go from this to what we have currently while getting essentially nothing in return. It’d be one thing is we had something to point at for giving up Choo and Jones, but… not so much.
I like the last line of that video clip: “Thank God it’s over.”
killer_ewok18: beautiful impersonation of a KJR caller / PI blog commenter. Hilarious. Well done.
Getting on Bavasi’s case over Choo is like being upset at Horacio Ramirez because you don’t like his shoes.
Whatever; he is hitting 3rd for the Indians and is still only 26.
Some players have been known to click and be useful about that age for a few seasons…
We’re using position in the batting order to evaluate players now? Really?
Did you miss all the games that Vidro batted cleanup this year, or did you think that made him a good player?
Um, sarcastic guy, the difference is that he is hitting third and producing.