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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/09/26/the-gm-speculation-kicks-off/comment-page-1/#comment-301739</link>
		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a non-baseball POV, Kim Ng would be a positive for process-driven, overly PC Seattle. The casual Seattle fan would be all for it and give her a lot of rope (you don&#039;t think Seattle Storm fans wouldn&#039;t be interested [if they weren&#039;t already baseball fans?])

From a baseball POV, Kim Ng is a positive, given her experience with NY and LA, places where she&#039;s been doing good work.

This would not be a stretch hire for HowChuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a non-baseball POV, Kim Ng would be a positive for process-driven, overly PC Seattle. The casual Seattle fan would be all for it and give her a lot of rope (you don&#8217;t think Seattle Storm fans wouldn&#8217;t be interested [if they weren't already baseball fans?])</p>
<p>From a baseball POV, Kim Ng is a positive, given her experience with NY and LA, places where she&#8217;s been doing good work.</p>
<p>This would not be a stretch hire for HowChuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;But heck, let’s not restrict ourselves to gender inequities. What non-white candidates should they be considering?&lt;/em&gt;

Well, Kim Ng, for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But heck, let’s not restrict ourselves to gender inequities. What non-white candidates should they be considering?</em></p>
<p>Well, Kim Ng, for one.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I would rather go through two more years of losing if it meant a WS title than to keep trying to patch holes with aging and declining veterans…&lt;/i&gt;

Well, I don&#039;t agree exactly.  I&#039;d much rather go through two more years of losing if it meant &lt;i&gt;they had created an organization that correctly values talent, finds and acquires undervalued players, doesn&#039;t overpay for veterans, and develops a healthy farm system that produces kids they are willing to play&lt;/i&gt;.  There&#039;s no sure way to win a WS, but setting up a smart organization is far more likely to win you one eventually.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s realistic to hope for a WS in two years, no matter how much pain we endure between now and then: as we&#039;ve seen, the post-season is just a huge crapshoot.  But in two years they could, and should, have a team that &lt;i&gt;gets&lt;/i&gt; to the postseason pretty much every year, with no post-&quot;Win-now&quot; dropoff in sight.  (In other words, I don&#039;t want the 2011 M&#039;s to look like the 2008 Brewers; I want them to look like the 90s Braves).  

There&#039;s at least 3 good teams in each of the other two AL divisions, so the wild card isn&#039;t worth much.  Right now the Angels are the class of the division, and I think it&#039;s reasonable to expect to regularly challenge them, and usually beat them.  In 2012, when the A&#039;s open Cisco Field, the West also becomes a true three-way race.  At that point, the M&#039;s better have more than just a good team: they need a pipeline of talent, and an organization that knows how to find more and make the best use of it.

Otherwise, well, they&#039;re the Royals.  Or the Pirates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I would rather go through two more years of losing if it meant a WS title than to keep trying to patch holes with aging and declining veterans…</i></p>
<p>Well, I don&#8217;t agree exactly.  I&#8217;d much rather go through two more years of losing if it meant <i>they had created an organization that correctly values talent, finds and acquires undervalued players, doesn&#8217;t overpay for veterans, and develops a healthy farm system that produces kids they are willing to play</i>.  There&#8217;s no sure way to win a WS, but setting up a smart organization is far more likely to win you one eventually.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s realistic to hope for a WS in two years, no matter how much pain we endure between now and then: as we&#8217;ve seen, the post-season is just a huge crapshoot.  But in two years they could, and should, have a team that <i>gets</i> to the postseason pretty much every year, with no post-&#8221;Win-now&#8221; dropoff in sight.  (In other words, I don&#8217;t want the 2011 M&#8217;s to look like the 2008 Brewers; I want them to look like the 90s Braves).  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s at least 3 good teams in each of the other two AL divisions, so the wild card isn&#8217;t worth much.  Right now the Angels are the class of the division, and I think it&#8217;s reasonable to expect to regularly challenge them, and usually beat them.  In 2012, when the A&#8217;s open Cisco Field, the West also becomes a true three-way race.  At that point, the M&#8217;s better have more than just a good team: they need a pipeline of talent, and an organization that knows how to find more and make the best use of it.</p>
<p>Otherwise, well, they&#8217;re the Royals.  Or the Pirates.</p>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen, I agree, it is a risk for her, I never said it wasn&#039;t. However, I don&#039;t know that it&#039;s much less a risk anywhere else. 

Something I read recently pointed out that the management/ownership overseeing the GM&#039;s of many clubs are involved to a similar degree. Several teams were mentioned, and I think the bottom line was that almost all of the teams with probable GM openings had this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, I agree, it is a risk for her, I never said it wasn&#8217;t. However, I don&#8217;t know that it&#8217;s much less a risk anywhere else. </p>
<p>Something I read recently pointed out that the management/ownership overseeing the GM&#8217;s of many clubs are involved to a similar degree. Several teams were mentioned, and I think the bottom line was that almost all of the teams with probable GM openings had this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it&#039;s not just the risk to Kim Ng if she fails.    Most GMs fail, some sooner than others; if they didn&#039;t, they&#039;d all have jobs for life.  But when all those other GMs fail nobody says &quot;Well, that just proves that &lt;i&gt;men&lt;/i&gt; can&#039;t GM.&quot;  It&#039;s unfortunate, but there are plenty of trogolytes around (and more of them in sports than other places, and probably more in baseball than in some other sports) that would view her performance as a referendum on her gender.

Of course the fact that she is where she is right now, given all of that, probably means she&#039;s an order of magnitude more capable than any of the men occupying equivalent positions.

But heck, let&#039;s not restrict ourselves to gender inequities.  What non-white candidates should they be considering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s not just the risk to Kim Ng if she fails.    Most GMs fail, some sooner than others; if they didn&#8217;t, they&#8217;d all have jobs for life.  But when all those other GMs fail nobody says &#8220;Well, that just proves that <i>men</i> can&#8217;t GM.&#8221;  It&#8217;s unfortunate, but there are plenty of trogolytes around (and more of them in sports than other places, and probably more in baseball than in some other sports) that would view her performance as a referendum on her gender.</p>
<p>Of course the fact that she is where she is right now, given all of that, probably means she&#8217;s an order of magnitude more capable than any of the men occupying equivalent positions.</p>
<p>But heck, let&#8217;s not restrict ourselves to gender inequities.  What non-white candidates should they be considering?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G-Man said: &lt;em&gt;&quot;I don’t think Kim Ng is coming here. It’s too big a risk for these guys if she fails.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Geez, what about HER?  What a huge risk it is for HER career if she comes in here and Chuck and Howie act all good&#039;-ol-boy condescending towards her after the hiring-and-honeymoon this offseason?  And they go on with their same old obstructionist vetoing, like they&#039;ve done to Pelekoudas?

It&#039;s too much to hope that they&#039;d get some great suggestions for players to acquire from Ng, that have a 200% greater likelihood to pan out than the ones we suffered through from Bavasi (who has the father-and-son &quot;baseball man&quot; reputation)  -- and that Howie and Chuck would actually give enthusiastic thumbs-up to Kim Ng&#039;s proposed hires like they did to Bavasi.

I guarantee the management of the Mariners will continue to be looked at with great interest from others in baseball, just to see how much worse Howie and Chuck can screw it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G-Man said: <em>&#8220;I don’t think Kim Ng is coming here. It’s too big a risk for these guys if she fails.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Geez, what about HER?  What a huge risk it is for HER career if she comes in here and Chuck and Howie act all good&#8217;-ol-boy condescending towards her after the hiring-and-honeymoon this offseason?  And they go on with their same old obstructionist vetoing, like they&#8217;ve done to Pelekoudas?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too much to hope that they&#8217;d get some great suggestions for players to acquire from Ng, that have a 200% greater likelihood to pan out than the ones we suffered through from Bavasi (who has the father-and-son &#8220;baseball man&#8221; reputation)  &#8212; and that Howie and Chuck would actually give enthusiastic thumbs-up to Kim Ng&#8217;s proposed hires like they did to Bavasi.</p>
<p>I guarantee the management of the Mariners will continue to be looked at with great interest from others in baseball, just to see how much worse Howie and Chuck can screw it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re probably right that they wouldn&#039;t have done any better individually, Osfan. But still, organizational dynamics really necessitates that you have a good understanding of each person&#039;s role and sphere of authority, and you don&#039;t get that when two people share the leadership role with no clear distinction. So something like Matt&#039;s suggestion would make much more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re probably right that they wouldn&#8217;t have done any better individually, Osfan. But still, organizational dynamics really necessitates that you have a good understanding of each person&#8217;s role and sphere of authority, and you don&#8217;t get that when two people share the leadership role with no clear distinction. So something like Matt&#8217;s suggestion would make much more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Osfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Osfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not sure what the risk is with Ng ‘if she fails’. Could we possibly lose more games?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, they could lose 59 more games.  Also, I wouldn&#039;t knock the concept of a dual GM just because it failed in Baltimore and Pittsburgh.  Individually those GM&#039;s would have failed just as spectacularly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m not sure what the risk is with Ng ‘if she fails’. Could we possibly lose more games?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, they could lose 59 more games.  Also, I wouldn&#8217;t knock the concept of a dual GM just because it failed in Baltimore and Pittsburgh.  Individually those GM&#8217;s would have failed just as spectacularly.</p>
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		<title>By: MattThompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattThompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not to speak ill of the authors in any way, but I think history would indicate that tandem arrangements for front office authority are not a terribly good idea. One or the other, and I&#039;d hate to have to choose.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well. I think I think that my choice would be Dave for GM, and DMZ for VP, Baseball Information Systems.

Hiring to strength, and all that.  Plus, I think they might work well together, toward a common aim and all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not to speak ill of the authors in any way, but I think history would indicate that tandem arrangements for front office authority are not a terribly good idea. One or the other, and I&#8217;d hate to have to choose.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well. I think I think that my choice would be Dave for GM, and DMZ for VP, Baseball Information Systems.</p>
<p>Hiring to strength, and all that.  Plus, I think they might work well together, toward a common aim and all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Milendriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milendriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Not to speak ill of the authors in any way, but I think history would indicate that tandem arrangements for front office authority are not a terribly good idea. One or the other, and I’d hate to have to choose.&lt;/em&gt;

Isn&#039;t that kinda what San Diego is doing? They seem to be doing alright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Not to speak ill of the authors in any way, but I think history would indicate that tandem arrangements for front office authority are not a terribly good idea. One or the other, and I’d hate to have to choose.</em></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that kinda what San Diego is doing? They seem to be doing alright.</p>
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