Comments on: The Good, The Bad & The Ugly http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:00:02 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: marc w http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-302389 marc w Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:32:48 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6351#comment-302389 Ramirez actually got better as the year went on - his final month of the season was quite a good one (33 Ks to 9 BBs in 34 2/3 IP), and he gave up fewer runs per 9 in the second half of the year as compared to the first. It was that terrible JUNE that caused his meh overall numbers (and the fact that he went on the DL in July gives us a hint why). I'm more interested to see if his true-talent level is closer to the 53% GB, 24% K rate pitcher that he was at home or the 46%, 18% guy he was on the road. He's young, and these are one-year splits (extremely SSS), but he shows flashes of the ability that's led scouts to rave about him. Ramirez actually got better as the year went on – his final month of the season was quite a good one (33 Ks to 9 BBs in 34 2/3 IP), and he gave up fewer runs per 9 in the second half of the year as compared to the first. It was that terrible JUNE that caused his meh overall numbers (and the fact that he went on the DL in July gives us a hint why).

I’m more interested to see if his true-talent level is closer to the 53% GB, 24% K rate pitcher that he was at home or the 46%, 18% guy he was on the road. He’s young, and these are one-year splits (extremely SSS), but he shows flashes of the ability that’s led scouts to rave about him.

]]> By: Slurve http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-302387 Slurve Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:22:20 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6351#comment-302387 I wonder how Saunders is coming along. Most scouts say his power will come along and if he does we'll see someone like Josh Hamilton don't know how good he'll be though after the surgery this year. I wonder how Saunders is coming along. Most scouts say his power will come along and if he does we’ll see someone like Josh Hamilton don’t know how good he’ll be though after the surgery this year.

]]> By: Gomez http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-302385 Gomez Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:51:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6351#comment-302385 Good stuff, Conor. One thing to note with Ramirez is that his numbers were actually strong until the last month or so, when they slid some. This was Ramirez's first full pro season, and it's possible that the long season finally began wearing on his body down the stretch, even given his continued enthusiasm throughout the season, hence his numbers sliding. In other words, I'm not worried at all about his final numbers . As he grows into a full season's workload, I bet he develops stamina in subsequent seasons and looks as strong as ever into August and September. He's an immense talent that dominates his competition at his best. Good stuff, Conor.

One thing to note with Ramirez is that his numbers were actually strong until the last month or so, when they slid some. This was Ramirez’s first full pro season, and it’s possible that the long season finally began wearing on his body down the stretch, even given his continued enthusiasm throughout the season, hence his numbers sliding.

In other words, I’m not worried at all about his final numbers . As he grows into a full season’s workload, I bet he develops stamina in subsequent seasons and looks as strong as ever into August and September. He’s an immense talent that dominates his competition at his best.

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-302384 msb Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:48:37 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6351#comment-302384 btw, I would rather be listening to the ballgame than a rehash of the terrible football of the weekend. btw, I would rather be listening to the ballgame than a rehash of the terrible football of the weekend.

]]> By: Jon http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-302383 Jon Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:02:52 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6351#comment-302383 <blockquote>Just a question, did anyone get to see Jharmidy Dejesus play?</blockquote> I got to see him once this year, and he was impressive on offense. Oppo field homer, double and a walk, if I remember correctly. Looked awful in the field, though.

Just a question, did anyone get to see Jharmidy Dejesus play?

I got to see him once this year, and he was impressive on offense. Oppo field homer, double and a walk, if I remember correctly. Looked awful in the field, though.

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-302382 msb Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:46:03 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6351#comment-302382 oh, no, there is none and has never been any. He said so. I'm not sure how in his mind that accounts for the 5 players going to Baltimore for Bedard, but there you go ... oh, no, there is none and has never been any. He said so.

I’m not sure how in his mind that accounts for the 5 players going to Baltimore for Bedard, but there you go …

]]> By: TomG http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-302381 TomG Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:42:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6351#comment-302381 <blockquote>but, but …. Jeff Nelson told me on the radio that there was no talent in the minor leagues, and sure they say that was Bavasi’s strength but he didn’t do even that before they canned him are you telling me that Jeff was wrong?????</blockquote> Yes and no. There really isn't a can't-miss upper-level prospect in the system, and even at the lower levels there is still some projectability questions (ex: Triunfel's ultimate position, whether all his plus tools will manifest, etc.). Right now there's a lot of promise from Halman down, but nothing close to the Jones/Tillman/Clement group of last few years.

but, but …. Jeff Nelson told me on the radio that there was no talent in the minor leagues, and sure they say that was Bavasi’s strength but he didn’t do even that before they canned him

are you telling me that Jeff was wrong?????

Yes and no. There really isn’t a can’t-miss upper-level prospect in the system, and even at the lower levels there is still some projectability questions (ex: Triunfel’s ultimate position, whether all his plus tools will manifest, etc.). Right now there’s a lot of promise from Halman down, but nothing close to the Jones/Tillman/Clement group of last few years.

]]> By: Shawnuel http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-302379 Shawnuel Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:36:35 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6351#comment-302379 As far as Tui is concerned, I just wasn't expecting very much, so the huge 2nd half power surge really gave me some encouragement regarding his development. While I also think Valbuena was a pleasant surprise, I'm pretty meh on Jimenez. An inconsistent 2nd loogy in the bullpen doesn't strike me as all that valuable a commodity. As far as Tui is concerned, I just wasn’t expecting very much, so the huge 2nd half power surge really gave me some encouragement regarding his development. While I also think Valbuena was a pleasant surprise, I’m pretty meh on Jimenez. An inconsistent 2nd loogy in the bullpen doesn’t strike me as all that valuable a commodity.

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-302378 msb Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:35:37 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6351#comment-302378 but, but .... Jeff Nelson told me on the radio that there was no talent in the minor leagues, and sure they say that was Bavasi's strength but he didn't do even <em>that</em> before they canned him.... are you telling me that Jeff was wrong????? but, but …. Jeff Nelson told me on the radio that there was no talent in the minor leagues, and sure they say that was Bavasi’s strength but he didn’t do even that before they canned him….

are you telling me that Jeff was wrong?????

]]> By: TomG http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-302377 TomG Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:32:25 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6351#comment-302377 <blockquote>Just a question, did anyone get to see Jharmidy Dejesus play?</blockquote> BA ranked him the 9th-best prospect in the Northwest league (Raben’s 13th): http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2008/266887.html Also on the list was Tyson Gillies (15th), another nice late-round find by the organization.

Just a question, did anyone get to see Jharmidy Dejesus play?

BA ranked him the 9th-best prospect in the Northwest league (Raben’s 13th):

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2008/266887.html

Also on the list was Tyson Gillies (15th), another nice late-round find by the organization.

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