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	<title>Comments on: And we&#8217;ll know Zduriencik from his off-season</title>
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		<title>By: BillP</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/27/and-well-know-zduriencik-from-his-off-season/comment-page-1/#comment-303847</link>
		<dc:creator>BillP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I forgot about this for two days after I posted it. Guess I started some good discussion.

First, defensive metrics aren&#039;t nearly as &quot;rough&quot; as they were just a couple years ago. They&#039;re still not perfect, but they&#039;re a lot better.
Second, yes, &quot;the runs Ibanez costs [the Mariners] because he doesn&#039;t get to balls&quot; are &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; what the metrics are designed to show you.

Drei, on +/- (my personal fave, mostly because it&#039;s compiled by guys watching every play of every game, so the usual &quot;you don&#039;t watch him play&quot; retort really doesn&#039;t apply at all), Lopez came in at 0, or exactly average, after being +9 and +4 the two previous years. Betancourt, meanwhile, has gone -3, -10, -19 the past three years. 

Ichiro was at -9 in center this year after +4 in &#039;07 and +6 in limited action in &#039;06. Looks like an excellent RF who&#039;s a bit stretched in CF, though his true level might be around average (but almost certain to start slipping soon if it&#039;s not already).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I forgot about this for two days after I posted it. Guess I started some good discussion.</p>
<p>First, defensive metrics aren&#8217;t nearly as &#8220;rough&#8221; as they were just a couple years ago. They&#8217;re still not perfect, but they&#8217;re a lot better.<br />
Second, yes, &#8220;the runs Ibanez costs [the Mariners] because he doesn&#8217;t get to balls&#8221; are <em>exactly</em> what the metrics are designed to show you.</p>
<p>Drei, on +/- (my personal fave, mostly because it&#8217;s compiled by guys watching every play of every game, so the usual &#8220;you don&#8217;t watch him play&#8221; retort really doesn&#8217;t apply at all), Lopez came in at 0, or exactly average, after being +9 and +4 the two previous years. Betancourt, meanwhile, has gone -3, -10, -19 the past three years. </p>
<p>Ichiro was at -9 in center this year after +4 in &#8216;07 and +6 in limited action in &#8216;06. Looks like an excellent RF who&#8217;s a bit stretched in CF, though his true level might be around average (but almost certain to start slipping soon if it&#8217;s not already).</p>
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		<title>By: BBOneFive</title>
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		<dc:creator>BBOneFive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would actually kinda prefer that they don&#039;t sign Fields and just take the extra pick in next year&#039;s draft. Fields would be a nice addition to the bullpen, but bullpen help just shouldn&#039;t be this team&#039;s priority at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would actually kinda prefer that they don&#8217;t sign Fields and just take the extra pick in next year&#8217;s draft. Fields would be a nice addition to the bullpen, but bullpen help just shouldn&#8217;t be this team&#8217;s priority at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m betting he gives Blengino Fontaine&#039;s job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m betting he gives Blengino Fontaine&#8217;s job.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmylauderdale</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/27/and-well-know-zduriencik-from-his-off-season/comment-page-1/#comment-303675</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmylauderdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And he has just let Fontaine go... Maybe Fields won&#039;t be signing...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And he has just let Fontaine go&#8230; Maybe Fields won&#8217;t be signing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, awesome news on him bringing Blengino over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, awesome news on him bringing Blengino over.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing but good on the Blengino hire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing but good on the Blengino hire.</p>
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		<title>By: SeasonTix</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeasonTix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an article about Blengino:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sabr.org/sabr.cfm?a=cms,c,2335,35,235&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Meet SABR Member Tony Blengino&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an article about Blengino:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sabr.org/sabr.cfm?a=cms,c,2335,35,235" rel="nofollow">Meet SABR Member Tony Blengino</a></p>
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		<title>By: DMac2</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMac2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Blengino, 44, just finished his third season as assistant scouting director in Milwaukee under Zduriencik. A former certified public accountant, Blengino is a member of the Society of American Baseball Research and has a strong background in statistical analysis.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe there&#039;s hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Blengino, 44, just finished his third season as assistant scouting director in Milwaukee under Zduriencik. A former certified public accountant, Blengino is a member of the Society of American Baseball Research and has a strong background in statistical analysis.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe there&#8217;s hope.</p>
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		<title>By: kirby3putt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirby3putt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stone talks about Z hiring some Brewer assistants &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2008319172_webmari27.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stone talks about Z hiring some Brewer assistants <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2008319172_webmari27.html" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;They’re basically the same hitter - Lopez has a tad more power, Betancourt is a bit faster.&lt;/em&gt;

My argument would be that Lopez has more room for growth (both in terms of age and skillset). That makes me more willing to write off his awful 2007 and accept his 2008 as real development with the potential for more. Betancourt, on the other hand, I think we agree that he is what he is and will never be anything else.

Aside from that, I&#039;ll grant the offensive difference isn&#039;t huge. But that&#039;s why I would consider a choice that pure statistical projection probably doesn&#039;t favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>They’re basically the same hitter &#8211; Lopez has a tad more power, Betancourt is a bit faster.</em></p>
<p>My argument would be that Lopez has more room for growth (both in terms of age and skillset). That makes me more willing to write off his awful 2007 and accept his 2008 as real development with the potential for more. Betancourt, on the other hand, I think we agree that he is what he is and will never be anything else.</p>
<p>Aside from that, I&#8217;ll grant the offensive difference isn&#8217;t huge. But that&#8217;s why I would consider a choice that pure statistical projection probably doesn&#8217;t favor.</p>
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