Comments on: The 2010 Mariners Outfield http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/30/the-2010-mariners-outfield/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:00:02 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Jeff Nye http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/30/the-2010-mariners-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-304069 Jeff Nye Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:35:25 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6566#comment-304069 I think it might be time to start auto-moderating any comments that include the words "trade" and "Ichiro". It's replaced "why isn't Willie Bloomquist a starter?" as the most beaten-to-death topic here. I think it might be time to start auto-moderating any comments that include the words “trade” and “Ichiro”.

It’s replaced “why isn’t Willie Bloomquist a starter?” as the most beaten-to-death topic here.

]]> By: Teej http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/30/the-2010-mariners-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-304055 Teej Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:02:03 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6566#comment-304055 <em>This, to me, is the reason to be open to trading Ichiro. I’d rather have 3(or 4? or 2?) future contributors. Can’t we at least listen to offers?</em> Ichiro is going into his age-35 season, coming off a down year statistically, has four years left on his contract, and is owed $17 million a year. I don't see why any team would be willing to give up valuable prospects for Ichiro. This isn't a Bedard or Peavy situation, where you're dealing with a good, young pitcher who is under team control for a few years at a below-market price. He's not going to net the M's a big package of young talent, and there's no point in trading him just to trade him. This organization can afford him. And it needs at least one good baseball player. This, to me, is the reason to be open to trading Ichiro. I’d rather have 3(or 4? or 2?) future contributors.
Can’t we at least listen to offers?

Ichiro is going into his age-35 season, coming off a down year statistically, has four years left on his contract, and is owed $17 million a year. I don’t see why any team would be willing to give up valuable prospects for Ichiro.

This isn’t a Bedard or Peavy situation, where you’re dealing with a good, young pitcher who is under team control for a few years at a below-market price. He’s not going to net the M’s a big package of young talent, and there’s no point in trading him just to trade him. This organization can afford him. And it needs at least one good baseball player.

]]> By: qwerty http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/30/the-2010-mariners-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-304029 qwerty Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:01:51 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6566#comment-304029 <blockquote>the M’s don’t need to make room for a slugger, they need to get more good players.</blockquote> This, to me, is the reason to be open to trading Ichiro. I'd rather have 3(or 4? or 2?) future contributors. Can't we at least listen to offers?

the M’s don’t need to make room for a slugger, they need to get more good players.

This, to me, is the reason to be open to trading Ichiro. I’d rather have 3(or 4? or 2?) future contributors.
Can’t we at least listen to offers?

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/30/the-2010-mariners-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-304016 msb Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:16:58 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6566#comment-304016 <blockquote>Uh oh…the M’s are traveling back in time to play the Normans in the WS!</blockquote> oh, man, and they are tough.

Uh oh…the M’s are traveling back in time to play the Normans in the WS!

oh, man, and they are tough.

]]> By: Edgar For Pres http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/30/the-2010-mariners-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-304004 Edgar For Pres Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:38:36 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6566#comment-304004 I definitely agree that we have talent in the OF but they all have major flaws. This is pretty understandable and why they are still prospects. We have major holes in LF and CF with three legit OF prospects. I agree that we have OF prospects with tons of tools. I disagree that the system is "loaded" with talent in the OF especially compared to what will be needed by 2010. I think in the next couple years we should be able to field an OF with good/great defense but I'm skeptical right now that we will be able to produce solid offensive players at those positions. Compare our OF prospects to the others in the division. I'll take 23 yrs or less as "prospects" (younger than Wlad). LAA: Peter Bourjos, Chris Pettit, Jeremy Moore OAK: Ryan Sweeney, Carlos Gonzalez, Aaron Cunningham TEX: Engel Beltre, Julio Borbon I think its pretty safe to say Oakland has the best young outfield out there in the AL west. We are probably better than LAA and maybe a tad better than Texas (all very subjective). If our OF prospects are our strength then I'm worried. That said, we do have enough talent there and else where around the field that we can be plenty competitive in 2010. A few smart moves to fill some huge holes and this ballclub shouldn't be too far away. I definitely agree that we have talent in the OF but they all have major flaws. This is pretty understandable and why they are still prospects. We have major holes in LF and CF with three legit OF prospects. I agree that we have OF prospects with tons of tools. I disagree that the system is “loaded” with talent in the OF especially compared to what will be needed by 2010. I think in the next couple years we should be able to field an OF with good/great defense but I’m skeptical right now that we will be able to produce solid offensive players at those positions.

Compare our OF prospects to the others in the division. I’ll take 23 yrs or less as “prospects” (younger than Wlad).

LAA: Peter Bourjos, Chris Pettit, Jeremy Moore
OAK: Ryan Sweeney, Carlos Gonzalez, Aaron Cunningham
TEX: Engel Beltre, Julio Borbon

I think its pretty safe to say Oakland has the best young outfield out there in the AL west. We are probably better than LAA and maybe a tad better than Texas (all very subjective). If our OF prospects are our strength then I’m worried. That said, we do have enough talent there and else where around the field that we can be plenty competitive in 2010. A few smart moves to fill some huge holes and this ballclub shouldn’t be too far away.

]]> By: marc w http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/30/the-2010-mariners-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-304003 marc w Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:50:37 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6566#comment-304003 Dave beat me to it, but holy balls that was odd. The M's have one clear advantage over their rivals in their system: outfielders. I know, it's new and different for an org that hasn't really developed a home-grown OF in a looong time, but it's true. It'd be great to have a corner IF or two, however. Dave beat me to it, but holy balls that was odd. The M’s have one clear advantage over their rivals in their system: outfielders.

I know, it’s new and different for an org that hasn’t really developed a home-grown OF in a looong time, but it’s true. It’d be great to have a corner IF or two, however.

]]> By: scott19 http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/30/the-2010-mariners-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-304002 scott19 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:46:47 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6566#comment-304002 <blockquote>i think we could contend easily be 1010</blockquote> Uh oh...the M's are traveling back in time to play the Normans in the WS! :) Seriously, though, I agree...I don't think this necessarily has to be a four-year rebuild plan, either.

i think we could contend easily be 1010

Uh oh…the M’s are traveling back in time to play the Normans in the WS! :)

Seriously, though, I agree…I don’t think this necessarily has to be a four-year rebuild plan, either.

]]> By: Jeff Nye http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/30/the-2010-mariners-outfield/comment-page-1/#comment-304001 Jeff Nye Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:41:55 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6566#comment-304001 We've been over this ad nauseam before. This isn't Cleveland; the Mariners don't have to do a rebuild in that style. We’ve been over this ad nauseam before.

This isn’t Cleveland; the Mariners don’t have to do a rebuild in that style.

]]> By: pumpkin3000 http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/30/the-2010-mariners-outfield/comment-page-1/#comment-304000 pumpkin3000 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:31:19 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6566#comment-304000 Oh don't get me wrong i think we could contend easily be 1010, but there is a rather large difference between contention and winning the 97 games it takes to beat the angels, let alone win a WS ring. I was more just posing the question are we going to try for a one or two year contention stretch again, or build a team that will contend for years and years. Oh don’t get me wrong i think we could contend easily be 1010, but there is a rather large difference between contention and winning the 97 games it takes to beat the angels, let alone win a WS ring. I was more just posing the question are we going to try for a one or two year contention stretch again, or build a team that will contend for years and years.

]]> By: Dave http://ussmariner.com/2008/10/30/the-2010-mariners-outfield/comment-page-1/#comment-303999 Dave Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:01:18 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6566#comment-303999 I'm sorry, but how can you look at Balentien, Saunders, and Halman and decide that this organization doesn't have much talent in the OF? Seriously, there probably isn't another organization in baseball with a better trio of outfield prospects. They all have issues, and there's not franchise player in the group, but at some point, you guys have to stop and recognize that some good things happened during the Bavasi regime, and the current strength of the minors is reflective of that. Get over this "can't contend until 2012" crap. This team isn't in that bad of shape. I’m sorry, but how can you look at Balentien, Saunders, and Halman and decide that this organization doesn’t have much talent in the OF?

Seriously, there probably isn’t another organization in baseball with a better trio of outfield prospects. They all have issues, and there’s not franchise player in the group, but at some point, you guys have to stop and recognize that some good things happened during the Bavasi regime, and the current strength of the minors is reflective of that.

Get over this “can’t contend until 2012″ crap. This team isn’t in that bad of shape.

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