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		<title>By: Hobo</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/11/12/the-season-ticket-holder-lunch-early-report/comment-page-1/#comment-305241</link>
		<dc:creator>Hobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Jack Z bumped Greg Hunter from Director of Minor League Pperations to  being a Pro Scout....

Looper, Fontaine, and now Hunter. He certainly should want to have top aides he trusts, but that does seem to be bumping off some of the folks that despite Big Bald Bill were really good at their jobs.

What do we know about Pedro Grifol and Tim Tolman other than what &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/388284_mari18.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gary Washburn wrote&lt;/a&gt; today (and what Geoff Baker wrote yesterday)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Jack Z bumped Greg Hunter from Director of Minor League Pperations to  being a Pro Scout&#8230;.</p>
<p>Looper, Fontaine, and now Hunter. He certainly should want to have top aides he trusts, but that does seem to be bumping off some of the folks that despite Big Bald Bill were really good at their jobs.</p>
<p>What do we know about Pedro Grifol and Tim Tolman other than what <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/388284_mari18.html" rel="nofollow">Gary Washburn wrote</a> today (and what Geoff Baker wrote yesterday)?</p>
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		<title>By: MickieB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MickieB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, was at the season ticket holder lunch. For the record: no-one was challenged about identifying themselves so anyone could have gone. Most people did waste their time asking stupid questions or just making speeches that were emotion-driven. That being said I think it was a primo PR stunt and very well delivered. We walked away saying that maybe we had been too hasty in deciding to give up our seats and feeling better for the future of Mariner ball. The rosy glow faded quickly, but anyone that give a fan hope for the future deserves a fair chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, was at the season ticket holder lunch. For the record: no-one was challenged about identifying themselves so anyone could have gone. Most people did waste their time asking stupid questions or just making speeches that were emotion-driven. That being said I think it was a primo PR stunt and very well delivered. We walked away saying that maybe we had been too hasty in deciding to give up our seats and feeling better for the future of Mariner ball. The rosy glow faded quickly, but anyone that give a fan hope for the future deserves a fair chance.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/11/12/the-season-ticket-holder-lunch-early-report/comment-page-1/#comment-304896</link>
		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another interesting Zduriencik quote from the Times today:

Zduriencik added that it can often be easier for a new manager to earn respect than a veteran one who brings baggage from a previous job. The first thing players do in those cases, he said, is call each other up and swap gossip and stories about what the experienced manager did in his previous gig.

&quot;Just because they&#039;ve managed, doesn&#039;t give them credibility,&quot; he said. &quot;Credibility is going to be established by this guy gaining the respect.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another interesting Zduriencik quote from the Times today:</p>
<p>Zduriencik added that it can often be easier for a new manager to earn respect than a veteran one who brings baggage from a previous job. The first thing players do in those cases, he said, is call each other up and swap gossip and stories about what the experienced manager did in his previous gig.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just because they&#8217;ve managed, doesn&#8217;t give them credibility,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Credibility is going to be established by this guy gaining the respect.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think we could get Zduriencik to come to an off-season pizza feed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think we could get Zduriencik to come to an off-season pizza feed?</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wow, that’s pathetic….
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No kidding. Then again, this is an organization that said they used statistical analysis and statistics &quot;all the time&quot;....

&lt;blockquote&gt;at least he wasn’t in his mom’s basement.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hey, you can choose a VP that way....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wow, that’s pathetic….
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<p>No kidding. Then again, this is an organization that said they used statistical analysis and statistics &#8220;all the time&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>at least he wasn’t in his mom’s basement.
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<p>Hey, you can choose a VP that way&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JerBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>JerBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;at least he wasn’t in his mom’s basement.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Zing!

Although Dave did just say he worked &quot;from home&quot;...he didn&#039;t specify who&#039;s home... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>at least he wasn’t in his mom’s basement.</p></blockquote>
<p>Zing!</p>
<p>Although Dave did just say he worked &#8220;from home&#8221;&#8230;he didn&#8217;t specify who&#8217;s home&#8230; <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at least he wasn&#039;t in his mom&#039;s basement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at least he wasn&#8217;t in his mom&#8217;s basement.</p>
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		<title>By: BBOneFive</title>
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		<dc:creator>BBOneFive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Even that’s overstating his role - he didn’t have an office in Seattle. He worked from home and answered questions as asked. He was a consultant, and his influence in the organization was extremely limited.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow, that&#039;s pathetic....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Even that’s overstating his role &#8211; he didn’t have an office in Seattle. He worked from home and answered questions as asked. He was a consultant, and his influence in the organization was extremely limited.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, that&#8217;s pathetic&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even that&#039;s overstating his role - he didn&#039;t have an office in Seattle.  He worked from home and answered questions as asked.  He was a consultant, and his influence in the organization was extremely limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even that&#8217;s overstating his role &#8211; he didn&#8217;t have an office in Seattle.  He worked from home and answered questions as asked.  He was a consultant, and his influence in the organization was extremely limited.</p>
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		<title>By: ThundaPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThundaPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBOneFive

&lt;a href=&quot;http://ussmariner.com/2005/01/21/the-ms-stathead/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mat Olkin&lt;/a&gt; was basically the M&#039;s one-man &quot;Department of Baseball Research&quot; under Bavasi.

Yea, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBOneFive</p>
<p><a href="http://ussmariner.com/2005/01/21/the-ms-stathead/" rel="nofollow">Mat Olkin</a> was basically the M&#8217;s one-man &#8220;Department of Baseball Research&#8221; under Bavasi.</p>
<p>Yea, really.</p>
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