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		<title>By: mymrbig</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/09/joyce-larish-analyzed/comment-page-3/#comment-306716</link>
		<dc:creator>mymrbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I throw out the Mather-for-Putz querry, and now Rosenthal is reporthing that the Cards offered Ankiel &quot;and a prospect&quot; for Putz.  &quot;And a prospect&quot; is basically a worthless phrase since it can mean anything from Colby Rasmus to some dude none of us have ever heard of who has a good arm, but is only 17.

Still, it is an interesting offer.  Ankiel is a free agent after 2009 and I don&#039;t see him as a good center-piece for any Putz trade.  The only exception is that he could probably be spun-off to a team like Atlanta or the Yankees for a decent return.  Still, I don&#039;t know that I would pull a trigger on that offer without knowing whether Ankiel could be spun-off, and what for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I throw out the Mather-for-Putz querry, and now Rosenthal is reporthing that the Cards offered Ankiel &#8220;and a prospect&#8221; for Putz.  &#8220;And a prospect&#8221; is basically a worthless phrase since it can mean anything from Colby Rasmus to some dude none of us have ever heard of who has a good arm, but is only 17.</p>
<p>Still, it is an interesting offer.  Ankiel is a free agent after 2009 and I don&#8217;t see him as a good center-piece for any Putz trade.  The only exception is that he could probably be spun-off to a team like Atlanta or the Yankees for a decent return.  Still, I don&#8217;t know that I would pull a trigger on that offer without knowing whether Ankiel could be spun-off, and what for.</p>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a little early to be calling Joyce a +10 defender I think. But it&#039;s probably a reasonable risk to think he could be league average bat in his major league career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a little early to be calling Joyce a +10 defender I think. But it&#8217;s probably a reasonable risk to think he could be league average bat in his major league career.</p>
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		<title>By: xxtinynickxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xxtinynickxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next season or two should have a theme song and it should be The Killers - Exitlude</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next season or two should have a theme song and it should be The Killers &#8211; Exitlude</p>
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		<title>By: Damn Yankees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damn Yankees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before everyone freaks out that this potential trade would mean Morrow would head back to the pen as closer remember that the M&#039;s already have a former closer on staff in Miguel Bautista. 

I&#039;m not saying that Bautista is good at closing ball games (there is little evidence other than one season in Arizona) but wouldn&#039;t it make more sense to keep Morrow in the rotation, and than move Miggy to closing out ball games? Does anyone have any idea on how Miggy would project as a closer (I&#039;m assuming not that well)? 

Granted, the best solution would be to trade Bautista for a ham sandwich, clear his salary, and sign someone cheap on the up and up, but if we are stuck with his contract would this be the best possible situation for the whole of the team?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before everyone freaks out that this potential trade would mean Morrow would head back to the pen as closer remember that the M&#8217;s already have a former closer on staff in Miguel Bautista. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that Bautista is good at closing ball games (there is little evidence other than one season in Arizona) but wouldn&#8217;t it make more sense to keep Morrow in the rotation, and than move Miggy to closing out ball games? Does anyone have any idea on how Miggy would project as a closer (I&#8217;m assuming not that well)? </p>
<p>Granted, the best solution would be to trade Bautista for a ham sandwich, clear his salary, and sign someone cheap on the up and up, but if we are stuck with his contract would this be the best possible situation for the whole of the team?</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Zduriencik has made it no secret that his goal is to add some LH power&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;d like to remind everyone that Bavasi often thought he needed to add &quot;left-handed sock&quot; to the team, but he utterly failed to do so.

So this isn&#039;t new in terms of strategy, but it&#039;s certainly new in terms of execution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Zduriencik has made it no secret that his goal is to add some LH power</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d like to remind everyone that Bavasi often thought he needed to add &#8220;left-handed sock&#8221; to the team, but he utterly failed to do so.</p>
<p>So this isn&#8217;t new in terms of strategy, but it&#8217;s certainly new in terms of execution.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/09/joyce-larish-analyzed/comment-page-3/#comment-306697</link>
		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Sorry, I don’t buy that either, unless by replacement reliever Dave really meant replacement closer!&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s nice that you don&#039;t buy it, but since Dave&#039;s shown his work going into why he values K-Rod the way he does and you haven&#039;t, why should I care what you think?

You seem to think making unsupported assertions is a good way to win an argument. Perhaps you should reconsider that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Sorry, I don’t buy that either, unless by replacement reliever Dave really meant replacement closer!</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s nice that you don&#8217;t buy it, but since Dave&#8217;s shown his work going into why he values K-Rod the way he does and you haven&#8217;t, why should I care what you think?</p>
<p>You seem to think making unsupported assertions is a good way to win an argument. Perhaps you should reconsider that.</p>
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		<title>By: mymrbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>mymrbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, looking around at other teams still wanting a closer, how does Joyce compare to Joe Mather of the Cards?  

Mather is 2 years older and is RH, but has plenty of other similarities with Joyce (good defense in small sample size, good power, plenty of K&#039;s, under team control through 2014).  

Looking a little deeper, Mather&#039;s BABIP (.258 with a 21.6 LD%) drags down his overall numbers, but with more even luck his numbers would look pretty good.  And he has more defensive versatility than Joyce (the Cards gave him some time at 1st, 3rd, and CF, in addition to LF and RF).  Might give the M&#039;s another option at 3rd, plus the OF corners.  Age is the biggest problem though.  Even if you buy that he is a late bloomer, his is 26.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, looking around at other teams still wanting a closer, how does Joyce compare to Joe Mather of the Cards?  </p>
<p>Mather is 2 years older and is RH, but has plenty of other similarities with Joyce (good defense in small sample size, good power, plenty of K&#8217;s, under team control through 2014).  </p>
<p>Looking a little deeper, Mather&#8217;s BABIP (.258 with a 21.6 LD%) drags down his overall numbers, but with more even luck his numbers would look pretty good.  And he has more defensive versatility than Joyce (the Cards gave him some time at 1st, 3rd, and CF, in addition to LF and RF).  Might give the M&#8217;s another option at 3rd, plus the OF corners.  Age is the biggest problem though.  Even if you buy that he is a late bloomer, his is 26.</p>
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		<title>By: TheImmortalAzcue</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheImmortalAzcue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ML-

A .750 OPS with ++ defense is Ichiro!  There&#039;s nothing grim about Ichiro!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ML-</p>
<p>A .750 OPS with ++ defense is Ichiro!  There&#8217;s nothing grim about Ichiro!</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So the average OPS for a LF was .766. Probably higher still for RF. A .750 OPS with ++ defense seems a little grim to me for Putz, that is my primary point.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And it&#039;s STILL not very well supported. At best, it&#039;s anecdotal, without looking at the empirical evidence (which Dave has kindly supplied) of what the market is actually offering, and what statistical methods are saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So the average OPS for a LF was .766. Probably higher still for RF. A .750 OPS with ++ defense seems a little grim to me for Putz, that is my primary point.</p></blockquote>
<p>And it&#8217;s STILL not very well supported. At best, it&#8217;s anecdotal, without looking at the empirical evidence (which Dave has kindly supplied) of what the market is actually offering, and what statistical methods are saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I would have to think M’s fans would rather have Rick Ankiel than Matt Joyce, right?&lt;/em&gt;

Nope.  Ankiel is an FA after 2009. Joyce makes the league minimum until 2012.  The difference in present value is overwhelmed by the difference in future salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I would have to think M’s fans would rather have Rick Ankiel than Matt Joyce, right?</em></p>
<p>Nope.  Ankiel is an FA after 2009. Joyce makes the league minimum until 2012.  The difference in present value is overwhelmed by the difference in future salary.</p>
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