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	<title>Comments on: Goodbye JJ, Hello Defense</title>
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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/10/goodbye-jj-hello-defense/comment-page-2/#comment-306958</link>
		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m also really happy for Jeremy Reed — I never felt like he got a full, fair shot in Seattle and think that he’s moving to a role and league that will better suit him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;He most certainly got a full and fair shot.  He was a regular from Opening Day 2005 til he got injured in 2006, except that he was proving in 2006 he couldn&#039;t hit lefties with a rake.  His power numbers never improved and he was a simply awful base stealer (his lifetime percentage is 51%, which is &quot;don&#039;t even think of running&quot; territory).  His closest comp both by age and lifetime is the immortal Jermaine Allensworth, who was out of the league after his age 27 season.  Jeremy Reed&#039;s problem is that he didn&#039;t produce, not that he didn&#039;t get a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m also really happy for Jeremy Reed — I never felt like he got a full, fair shot in Seattle and think that he’s moving to a role and league that will better suit him.</p></blockquote>
<p>He most certainly got a full and fair shot.  He was a regular from Opening Day 2005 til he got injured in 2006, except that he was proving in 2006 he couldn&#8217;t hit lefties with a rake.  His power numbers never improved and he was a simply awful base stealer (his lifetime percentage is 51%, which is &#8220;don&#8217;t even think of running&#8221; territory).  His closest comp both by age and lifetime is the immortal Jermaine Allensworth, who was out of the league after his age 27 season.  Jeremy Reed&#8217;s problem is that he didn&#8217;t produce, not that he didn&#8217;t get a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: marinerfaninvenice</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/10/goodbye-jj-hello-defense/comment-page-2/#comment-306949</link>
		<dc:creator>marinerfaninvenice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good trade for sure -- losing a healthy Putz doesn&#039;t really hurt the team unless you&#039;re 100% ready to contend; otherwise you can throw a committee out there of Heilman/Lowe/etc until one sticks.  Hopefully not Morrow.  Losing an un-healthy Putz doesn&#039;t hurt at all.  Either way, restocking the farm system after years of Kim Jong Il-like pillaging is a win.

I&#039;m also really happy for Jeremy Reed -- I never felt like he got a full, fair shot in Seattle and think that he&#039;s moving to a role and league that will better suit him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good trade for sure &#8212; losing a healthy Putz doesn&#8217;t really hurt the team unless you&#8217;re 100% ready to contend; otherwise you can throw a committee out there of Heilman/Lowe/etc until one sticks.  Hopefully not Morrow.  Losing an un-healthy Putz doesn&#8217;t hurt at all.  Either way, restocking the farm system after years of Kim Jong Il-like pillaging is a win.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also really happy for Jeremy Reed &#8212; I never felt like he got a full, fair shot in Seattle and think that he&#8217;s moving to a role and league that will better suit him.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This kind of cheap innuendo masquerading as analysis really hacks me off.&lt;/i&gt;

Not to mention it&#039;s lazy &quot;journalism&quot; -- we know why JJ suddenly improved over previous seasons: he picked up / perfected the splitter from Everyday Eddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This kind of cheap innuendo masquerading as analysis really hacks me off.</i></p>
<p>Not to mention it&#8217;s lazy &#8220;journalism&#8221; &#8212; we know why JJ suddenly improved over previous seasons: he picked up / perfected the splitter from Everyday Eddy.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/10/goodbye-jj-hello-defense/comment-page-2/#comment-306902</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he signs, yes, there&#039;s a chance he might move that fast on performance; there&#039;s also a chance he wouldn&#039;t.  You don&#039;t count on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he signs, yes, there&#8217;s a chance he might move that fast on performance; there&#8217;s also a chance he wouldn&#8217;t.  You don&#8217;t count on him.</p>
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		<title>By: rsrobinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>rsrobinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Fields has nothing to do with nothing. If Zduriencik signs him, it will be at his price, not Fields’, and we won’t be counting on him anywhere above AA, given that he has 0 pro innings and hasn’t pitched since the CWS. My guess is that Z/W have talked with Peterson, and that their thinking lines up with Dave’s best-case scenario: they’ll try to make Heilman the closer. If he junks the slider and just goes with the fastball/change, he should do well in that role.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t know, I heard that Fields was the closest to being MLB ready of the early draft picks.  If that&#039;s the case I could see him in the M&#039;s bullpen sooner rather than later.

But, yeah, I don&#039;t think Fields figured at all into the Z&#039;s thinking when he decided to trade Putz.  He certainly isn&#039;t counting on Fields to be the team&#039;s closer next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Fields has nothing to do with nothing. If Zduriencik signs him, it will be at his price, not Fields’, and we won’t be counting on him anywhere above AA, given that he has 0 pro innings and hasn’t pitched since the CWS. My guess is that Z/W have talked with Peterson, and that their thinking lines up with Dave’s best-case scenario: they’ll try to make Heilman the closer. If he junks the slider and just goes with the fastball/change, he should do well in that role.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, I heard that Fields was the closest to being MLB ready of the early draft picks.  If that&#8217;s the case I could see him in the M&#8217;s bullpen sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>But, yeah, I don&#8217;t think Fields figured at all into the Z&#8217;s thinking when he decided to trade Putz.  He certainly isn&#8217;t counting on Fields to be the team&#8217;s closer next year.</p>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;one of Billy Beane’s tenets was to trade closers before they self-destructed. In some ways, we might have been a year too late.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Last winter, I favored trading Putz in a package to get a decent SP.

As for this factoring into the Fields signing, I fear that Boras will use this as leverage in his client&#039;s favor. Even if Josh isn&#039;t ready to step in ASAP, the M&#039;s need a closer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>one of Billy Beane’s tenets was to trade closers before they self-destructed. In some ways, we might have been a year too late.</p></blockquote>
<p>Last winter, I favored trading Putz in a package to get a decent SP.</p>
<p>As for this factoring into the Fields signing, I fear that Boras will use this as leverage in his client&#8217;s favor. Even if Josh isn&#8217;t ready to step in ASAP, the M&#8217;s need a closer.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fields has nothing to do with nothing.  If Zduriencik signs him, it will be at his price, not Fields&#039;, and we won&#039;t be counting on him anywhere above AA, given that he has 0 pro innings and hasn&#039;t pitched since the CWS.  My guess is that Z/W have talked with Peterson, and that their thinking lines up with Dave&#039;s best-case scenario:  they&#039;ll try to make Heilman the closer.  If he junks the slider and just goes with the fastball/change, he should do well in that role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fields has nothing to do with nothing.  If Zduriencik signs him, it will be at his price, not Fields&#8217;, and we won&#8217;t be counting on him anywhere above AA, given that he has 0 pro innings and hasn&#8217;t pitched since the CWS.  My guess is that Z/W have talked with Peterson, and that their thinking lines up with Dave&#8217;s best-case scenario:  they&#8217;ll try to make Heilman the closer.  If he junks the slider and just goes with the fastball/change, he should do well in that role.</p>
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		<title>By: rsrobinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>rsrobinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t imagine that 500k would stand in the way of signing Fields if Z really wants him.  It sounds like the kid could be ready to join the bullpen fairly quickly, possibly even out of spring training. 

I&#039;m not that worried about finding arms for the bullpen next year.  What I really don&#039;t want to see is Morrow taken out of the rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t imagine that 500k would stand in the way of signing Fields if Z really wants him.  It sounds like the kid could be ready to join the bullpen fairly quickly, possibly even out of spring training. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not that worried about finding arms for the bullpen next year.  What I really don&#8217;t want to see is Morrow taken out of the rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like the defense strategy.  If it improves the numbers of pitchers like Washburn and Silva, then other teams might overvalue them and we can dump their contracts and potentially get something in return as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the defense strategy.  If it improves the numbers of pitchers like Washburn and Silva, then other teams might overvalue them and we can dump their contracts and potentially get something in return as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dicky Amaral</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dicky Amaral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is that Z must be close to finalizing the Fields deal or he wouldn&#039;t have been shopping JJ as agressibely as he was... At the very least, he must be confident it is going to get done.  

If it is healthy, the rotation is going to be solid... even more so now that the OF defense will be lights out... Z is moving the M&#039;s in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that Z must be close to finalizing the Fields deal or he wouldn&#8217;t have been shopping JJ as agressibely as he was&#8230; At the very least, he must be confident it is going to get done.  </p>
<p>If it is healthy, the rotation is going to be solid&#8230; even more so now that the OF defense will be lights out&#8230; Z is moving the M&#8217;s in the right direction.</p>
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