Comments on: The new prospects http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/11/the-new-prospects/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:00:02 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: The Ancient Mariner http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/11/the-new-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-307298 The Ancient Mariner Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:59:33 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6885#comment-307298 I hear Eddie Guardado's available. I hear Eddie Guardado’s available.

]]> By: joser http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/11/the-new-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-307292 joser Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:50:01 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6885#comment-307292 Interesting info. Much appreciated. <i>His fastball velocity, along with his demeanor has me thinking closer. Attitude and swagger resembled Ugueth Urbina. Needs SIGNIFICANT refinement or addition of a true second pitch to reach potential.</i> Hey, maybe JJ can teach him the split-finger... oh, right. Nevermind. Interesting info. Much appreciated.

His fastball velocity, along with his demeanor has me thinking closer. Attitude and swagger resembled Ugueth Urbina. Needs SIGNIFICANT refinement or addition of a true second pitch to reach potential.

Hey, maybe JJ can teach him the split-finger… oh, right. Nevermind.

]]> By: BaseballHandyman http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/11/the-new-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-307270 BaseballHandyman Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:27:40 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6885#comment-307270 I have seen Cleto play and wrote it up for my <a href="http://baseballhandyman.com" rel="nofollow">blog </a>I thought you all would enjoy a detailed game report. Maikel Cleto, RHP, NYM -19-year old IFA from the Dominican Republic; (6 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 8 K) * Looked every bit of 218 lbs, but seemed shorter than his listed height of 6'3" * Spent first two innings in the 92-94 range with his fastball. * Velocity spiked in the 3rd and 4th as he was consistently hitting 94 and topping out at 97 MPH. * Fastball seemed to lack movement. * Breaking pitches were rudimentary at best. Looked as if he threw a cutter at 88-90 and a very poor curve in the upper 70's. * Slowed arm action and altered mechanics tipped curve badly. * Sling shot arm action. with size/mechanics, not much room for projection with the fastball. With it already at 92-97, does he need it? * Bulldog on the mound, really attacked hitters and had a nice "swagger." His fastball velocity, along with his demeanor has me thinking closer. Attitude and swagger resembled Ugueth Urbina. Needs SIGNIFICANT refinement or addition of a true second pitch to reach potential. I have seen Cleto play and wrote it up for my blog
I thought you all would enjoy a detailed game report.

Maikel Cleto, RHP, NYM -19-year old IFA from the Dominican Republic; (6 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 8 K)

* Looked every bit of 218 lbs, but seemed shorter than his listed height of 6′3″
* Spent first two innings in the 92-94 range with his fastball.
* Velocity spiked in the 3rd and 4th as he was consistently hitting 94 and topping out at 97 MPH.
* Fastball seemed to lack movement.
* Breaking pitches were rudimentary at best. Looked as if he threw a cutter at 88-90 and a very poor curve in the upper 70’s.
* Slowed arm action and altered mechanics tipped curve badly.
* Sling shot arm action. with size/mechanics, not much room for projection with the fastball. With it already at 92-97, does he need it?
* Bulldog on the mound, really attacked hitters and had a nice “swagger.”

His fastball velocity, along with his demeanor has me thinking closer. Attitude and swagger resembled Ugueth Urbina. Needs SIGNIFICANT refinement or addition of a true second pitch to reach potential.

]]> By: joser http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/11/the-new-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-307253 joser Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:33:01 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6885#comment-307253 There was at least one report that Zduriencik had originally targeted <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4424&position=P" rel="nofollow">Jon Niese</a> (I'm not sure which of these guys he accepted instead), but the Mets wouldn't give him up. Interesting. There was at least one report that Zduriencik had originally targeted Jon Niese (I’m not sure which of these guys he accepted instead), but the Mets wouldn’t give him up. Interesting.

]]> By: Dave http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/11/the-new-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-307091 Dave Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:10:27 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6885#comment-307091 Hubbard isn't a prospect - Carp is. Hubbard isn’t a prospect – Carp is.

]]> By: Conor http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/11/the-new-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-307085 Conor Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:55:01 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6885#comment-307085 <blockquote>All this new depth begs the question, “Will the M’s continue their ‘Promote to Failure’ approach to player development and push young guys up through the ranks as quickly as possible?”</blockquote> I don't think so, Dan. Gutierrez buys some time for Halman and I think the M's will slow down their promotions with a new GM and farm director at the helm.

All this new depth begs the question, “Will the M’s continue their ‘Promote to Failure’ approach to player development and push young guys up through the ranks as quickly as possible?”

I don’t think so, Dan. Gutierrez buys some time for Halman and I think the M’s will slow down their promotions with a new GM and farm director at the helm.

]]> By: Malcontent1 http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/11/the-new-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-307083 Malcontent1 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:52:54 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6885#comment-307083 I think it should be mentioned that while Carp had more walks than any player in the M's system, Marshall Hubbard had a better walk rate (15.3%), and his K rate wasn't much worse (20.4%). I know Hubbard is old for the league, but he seems like a very similar player. I'm not trying to disparage trading for Carp, as being younger he's clearly got the higher potential, but is it that much higher than Hubbard's? I think it should be mentioned that while Carp had more walks than any player in the M’s system, Marshall Hubbard had a better walk rate (15.3%), and his K rate wasn’t much worse (20.4%). I know Hubbard is old for the league, but he seems like a very similar player. I’m not trying to disparage trading for Carp, as being younger he’s clearly got the higher potential, but is it that much higher than Hubbard’s?

]]> By: Wolfman http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/11/the-new-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-307066 Wolfman Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:23:05 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6885#comment-307066 Deleted post. Deleted post.

]]> By: Wolfman http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/11/the-new-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-307064 Wolfman Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:18:31 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6885#comment-307064 Paul B said: "Another interesting development, the trade didn’t get nixed by Howie or Chuck, a la the Washburn trade that didn’t happen. Does that mean the front office is taking more of a hands off approach? If so, yippee!" Paul B...I never even thought of that regarding Howie and Chuck. Puhllleeeease tell me this will be the case and those two will stay OUT of the picture and let Jack Z do his thing! Perhaps <em>that</em> will be the most important part of this trade to watch. :) BTW, how do you do the quotes without just doing a copy and paste like I just did? Paul B said: “Another interesting development, the trade didn’t get nixed by Howie or Chuck, a la the Washburn trade that didn’t happen.

Does that mean the front office is taking more of a hands off approach? If so, yippee!”

Paul B…I never even thought of that regarding Howie and Chuck. Puhllleeeease tell me this will be the case and those two will stay OUT of the picture and let Jack Z do his thing! Perhaps that will be the most important part of this trade to watch. :)

BTW, how do you do the quotes without just doing a copy and paste like I just did?

]]> By: turkeycave http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/11/the-new-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-307057 turkeycave Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:06:44 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6885#comment-307057 All this new depth begs the question, "Will the M's continue their 'Promote to Failure' approach to player development and push young guys up through the ranks as quickly as possible?" Dan Z All this new depth begs the question, “Will the M’s continue their ‘Promote to Failure’ approach to player development and push young guys up through the ranks as quickly as possible?”

Dan Z

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