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		<title>By: msfan26</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/19/well-this-is-different/comment-page-2/#comment-308019</link>
		<dc:creator>msfan26</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>micahjr,
 Here is some of tugs stats from last season for tacoma and then seattle. 

Tacoma fielding %-
81 games (36 at second base and 45 at shortstop)
.983 at second and .984 at short with 363 total chances. only 3 errors at each position. In seattle he had a .1000 fielding percentage with not alot of chances, but I remember one play that he made against Maur from the twins, up the middle backhand behind second base and threw him out to end the inning! do you remember that one? 
Hitting- 
In tacoma Tug batted .298 14 hr&#039;s, 47 Rbi&#039;s from eather leadoff or the 2 hole!!  
In seattle Tug batted .224 in only 49 at bats 1 hr and a double and 2 rbi&#039;s.  He did srike out 17 times but in his first stint in the majors with limited ab&#039;s and coming off the bench late in games that not bad at all.  He did hit his first career hr. and in his first game in the majors he got his first major league hit and was 1-3 and could have been 2-3 if he was not robbed by a leaping grudzelanik(SP) in Kansas City.  
  If given the chance he could be the answer at second if Lopez is moved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>micahjr,<br />
 Here is some of tugs stats from last season for tacoma and then seattle. </p>
<p>Tacoma fielding %-<br />
81 games (36 at second base and 45 at shortstop)<br />
.983 at second and .984 at short with 363 total chances. only 3 errors at each position. In seattle he had a .1000 fielding percentage with not alot of chances, but I remember one play that he made against Maur from the twins, up the middle backhand behind second base and threw him out to end the inning! do you remember that one?<br />
Hitting-<br />
In tacoma Tug batted .298 14 hr&#8217;s, 47 Rbi&#8217;s from eather leadoff or the 2 hole!!<br />
In seattle Tug batted .224 in only 49 at bats 1 hr and a double and 2 rbi&#8217;s.  He did srike out 17 times but in his first stint in the majors with limited ab&#8217;s and coming off the bench late in games that not bad at all.  He did hit his first career hr. and in his first game in the majors he got his first major league hit and was 1-3 and could have been 2-3 if he was not robbed by a leaping grudzelanik(SP) in Kansas City.<br />
  If given the chance he could be the answer at second if Lopez is moved.</p>
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		<title>By: micahjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>micahjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be right about Hulett, but in any trade we have to get a upgrade at shortstop, dump a pitcher (Washburn), or pick up a hard-hitting outfielder.

Any statheads have some numbers on Hulett&#039;s defense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be right about Hulett, but in any trade we have to get a upgrade at shortstop, dump a pitcher (Washburn), or pick up a hard-hitting outfielder.</p>
<p>Any statheads have some numbers on Hulett&#8217;s defense?</p>
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		<title>By: msfan26</title>
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		<dc:creator>msfan26</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Hulett not getting a look at second if Lopez is moved?  He has  average power for that position and plays way better defense( range and arm, and also knows how to take a walk unlike some other m&#039;s) than Lopez.  Plays hard everytime he is in the lineup.  I dont the threads on here about going after a washed up Kennedy( I am a Cardinals fan as well and he absolutely has been a disapointment since he showed up)  as well as the Aaron miles option which Tug could easily put up better numbers than him and would be at a less of a salary.  
 I think that the new coach is looking more to move Lopez either to first or third( if beltre is dealt) and have Carona and Tug fight it out in spring training for the starting role at second. Carona will be the utility infielder for sure considering they have to keep him on the 25 man roster the whole season.   I really think that either Seattle is scared to be shown up if Tug plays lights out or the fans/media still think this team will sign some big names and be a contender this season, which is a pipe dream!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Hulett not getting a look at second if Lopez is moved?  He has  average power for that position and plays way better defense( range and arm, and also knows how to take a walk unlike some other m&#8217;s) than Lopez.  Plays hard everytime he is in the lineup.  I dont the threads on here about going after a washed up Kennedy( I am a Cardinals fan as well and he absolutely has been a disapointment since he showed up)  as well as the Aaron miles option which Tug could easily put up better numbers than him and would be at a less of a salary.<br />
 I think that the new coach is looking more to move Lopez either to first or third( if beltre is dealt) and have Carona and Tug fight it out in spring training for the starting role at second. Carona will be the utility infielder for sure considering they have to keep him on the 25 man roster the whole season.   I really think that either Seattle is scared to be shown up if Tug plays lights out or the fans/media still think this team will sign some big names and be a contender this season, which is a pipe dream!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one who suspects that Wakamatsu made this statement mostly to put Lopez on notice and give him a sharp prod in the backside?  I could be wrong, but this sounds more like a motivational ploy to me than anything:  if you want the 2B job back, work on your fielding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who suspects that Wakamatsu made this statement mostly to put Lopez on notice and give him a sharp prod in the backside?  I could be wrong, but this sounds more like a motivational ploy to me than anything:  if you want the 2B job back, work on your fielding.</p>
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		<title>By: cheeseheadtransplantmax</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheeseheadtransplantmax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also do not think that the Lopez-at-first statement is Z&#039;s long-term plan. Z just went out and signed a first base platoon, as well as getting a first base prospect in a trade. Moving Lopez to first would be counterproductive to what Z has done this offseason. I like the idea of trading Beltre for an ML-ready middle infielder and moving Lopez to third if he is not traded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also do not think that the Lopez-at-first statement is Z&#8217;s long-term plan. Z just went out and signed a first base platoon, as well as getting a first base prospect in a trade. Moving Lopez to first would be counterproductive to what Z has done this offseason. I like the idea of trading Beltre for an ML-ready middle infielder and moving Lopez to third if he is not traded.</p>
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		<title>By: insidetheparker</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. Sorry. I take it back. Thanks Steve.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>insidetheparker on December 19th, 2008 3:53 pm:&lt;blockquote&gt;Dave said that Yuni and Lopez are about the same defensively but Lopez is better at the plate so you have to think that SS is a bigger problem right now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What Dave said was: &lt;blockquote&gt;

Seriously, this whole “Lopez is okay at defense but Yuni is horrible” thing has to stop. Lopez is worse defensively than Betancourt. Worse, not better. Worse.

Betancourt appears worse by UZR because of who he’s being compared to. If you swapped Betancourt and Lopez, you would all think Lopez was a disaster and Betancourt was just fine.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As 2008 winds down, you, my good sir, have an unassailable lead in the competition for the USSM Mischaracterization of the Year Trophy.  Here to present your award is George Clooney, reprising his role as Batman in &lt;em&gt;Batman and Robin&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>insidetheparker on December 19th, 2008 3:53 pm:<br />
<blockquote>Dave said that Yuni and Lopez are about the same defensively but Lopez is better at the plate so you have to think that SS is a bigger problem right now.</p></blockquote>
<p>What Dave said was:<br />
<blockquote>
<p>Seriously, this whole “Lopez is okay at defense but Yuni is horrible” thing has to stop. Lopez is worse defensively than Betancourt. Worse, not better. Worse.</p>
<p>Betancourt appears worse by UZR because of who he’s being compared to. If you swapped Betancourt and Lopez, you would all think Lopez was a disaster and Betancourt was just fine.
</p></blockquote>
<p>As 2008 winds down, you, my good sir, have an unassailable lead in the competition for the USSM Mischaracterization of the Year Trophy.  Here to present your award is George Clooney, reprising his role as Batman in <em>Batman and Robin</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: qwerty</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is there any chance we deal Beltre for a package that includes a major league ready middle infielder and move Lopez to thirdbase?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What is Lopez&#039; issue? lack of range? Lack of quickness/reflexes? Lack of concentration?
Wouldn&#039;t these issues remain at 3B?
 It seems to make more sense to me to just Move Jose and find a Mark Ellis/McLemore-type Bridge until Triunfel is ready.  

Also, Is it preferable that if you must have a weaker defender in the infield that it be at 2b or 3b?

We&#039;d also move Beltre which seems inevitable.

Dave, are there any quality 3b&#039;s at someone&#039;s AAA that are stuck behind a major league stud?  (A la Nelson at 1b behind Fielder?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is there any chance we deal Beltre for a package that includes a major league ready middle infielder and move Lopez to thirdbase?</p></blockquote>
<p>What is Lopez&#8217; issue? lack of range? Lack of quickness/reflexes? Lack of concentration?<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t these issues remain at 3B?<br />
 It seems to make more sense to me to just Move Jose and find a Mark Ellis/McLemore-type Bridge until Triunfel is ready.  </p>
<p>Also, Is it preferable that if you must have a weaker defender in the infield that it be at 2b or 3b?</p>
<p>We&#8217;d also move Beltre which seems inevitable.</p>
<p>Dave, are there any quality 3b&#8217;s at someone&#8217;s AAA that are stuck behind a major league stud?  (A la Nelson at 1b behind Fielder?)</p>
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		<title>By: ima-zeliever</title>
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		<dc:creator>ima-zeliever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alec!

DAMellen asks a great question and I think the answer is yes and Z would probably love to get JJ Hardy.  However, there is more than just that trade out there.  

It seems to me that the following factors are in play... 

1.  We don&#039;t want to pay Beltre&#039;s salary this year even though we love his D.
2.  They (Don/Z) seem to be mentally preparing Lopez to move while saying things that are counter-productive if we are thinking of trading him.
3.  We have pitchers to trade and the Brewers are in great need in that department as are many other teams.
4.  I get the feeling that Z is not as high on Morrow where Morrow where a handful of GMs value him very highly...  Am I high or has anyone else got this idea?  
5.  The next trade Z makes will likely address the infield defense and add some pop to the lineup.

Cheap Infield:

1B-Platoon Branyan, Shelton, Morse, Clement, Carp
2B-Yuni (future: Triunfel)
3B-Lopez
SS-Hardy

This is a better offensive infield than last year, WAY less expensive, and about the same on defense (???) when you take out Beltre&#039;s glove and replace Yuni with JJ and Lopez with Yuni.

Would some of the numbers experts weigh in on this?

Also, I am curious how willing the Brewers may be in dealing JJ Hardy.  I heard there were supposed whispers of conversations at the winter meeting with the Brewers about him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alec!</p>
<p>DAMellen asks a great question and I think the answer is yes and Z would probably love to get JJ Hardy.  However, there is more than just that trade out there.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that the following factors are in play&#8230; </p>
<p>1.  We don&#8217;t want to pay Beltre&#8217;s salary this year even though we love his D.<br />
2.  They (Don/Z) seem to be mentally preparing Lopez to move while saying things that are counter-productive if we are thinking of trading him.<br />
3.  We have pitchers to trade and the Brewers are in great need in that department as are many other teams.<br />
4.  I get the feeling that Z is not as high on Morrow where Morrow where a handful of GMs value him very highly&#8230;  Am I high or has anyone else got this idea?<br />
5.  The next trade Z makes will likely address the infield defense and add some pop to the lineup.</p>
<p>Cheap Infield:</p>
<p>1B-Platoon Branyan, Shelton, Morse, Clement, Carp<br />
2B-Yuni (future: Triunfel)<br />
3B-Lopez<br />
SS-Hardy</p>
<p>This is a better offensive infield than last year, WAY less expensive, and about the same on defense (???) when you take out Beltre&#8217;s glove and replace Yuni with JJ and Lopez with Yuni.</p>
<p>Would some of the numbers experts weigh in on this?</p>
<p>Also, I am curious how willing the Brewers may be in dealing JJ Hardy.  I heard there were supposed whispers of conversations at the winter meeting with the Brewers about him.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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