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	<description>Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg</description>
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		<title>By: MKT</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2009/01/10/the-jan-10-recap-of-sorts/comment-page-1/#comment-309539</link>
		<dc:creator>MKT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There were a lot of really nice moments my favorite was the standing ovation the attendees gave those 4 guys. I don’t think they in any way thought that was going to be the out come. They looked a little stunned.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks, that&#039;s the kind of good specific detail that helps those of us who weren&#039;t there get a sense of how things went (and without revealing anything that the Ms wouldn&#039;t revealed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There were a lot of really nice moments my favorite was the standing ovation the attendees gave those 4 guys. I don’t think they in any way thought that was going to be the out come. They looked a little stunned.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks, that&#8217;s the kind of good specific detail that helps those of us who weren&#8217;t there get a sense of how things went (and without revealing anything that the Ms wouldn&#8217;t revealed).</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2009/01/10/the-jan-10-recap-of-sorts/comment-page-1/#comment-309516</link>
		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now, if you listen to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=163&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interview&lt;/a&gt; with Zduriencik on KIRO&#039;s website (they started their hot stove coverage saturday, and no, they don&#039;t actually appear to have advertised that they have started their hot stove coverage) 

Q. &quot;... he&#039;s said he&#039;d like to start-- do you have to go through spring training to make a decision?&quot;

A. &quot;I think we&#039;re going to look at Brandon as a starter ... things could change, as we get together with the coaching staff next weekend and as we roll into spring training and we watch things unfold, things have a way of dictating themselves. But I think at this moment in time, you look at a young guy with a terrific arm and you feel like you can run three guys out there, as we can do, on a given series, a three game series, if you&#039;ve got to face Felix Hernandez, Eric Bedard &amp; Brandon Morrow, that&#039;s a pretty good 1-2-3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now, if you listen to the <a href="http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=163" rel="nofollow">interview</a> with Zduriencik on KIRO&#8217;s website (they started their hot stove coverage saturday, and no, they don&#8217;t actually appear to have advertised that they have started their hot stove coverage) </p>
<p>Q. &#8220;&#8230; he&#8217;s said he&#8217;d like to start&#8211; do you have to go through spring training to make a decision?&#8221;</p>
<p>A. &#8220;I think we&#8217;re going to look at Brandon as a starter &#8230; things could change, as we get together with the coaching staff next weekend and as we roll into spring training and we watch things unfold, things have a way of dictating themselves. But I think at this moment in time, you look at a young guy with a terrific arm and you feel like you can run three guys out there, as we can do, on a given series, a three game series, if you&#8217;ve got to face Felix Hernandez, Eric Bedard &amp; Brandon Morrow, that&#8217;s a pretty good 1-2-3.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nope.

much laughter ensued when the question came up and was ignored, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nope.</p>
<p>much laughter ensued when the question came up and was ignored, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Secret Agent Man</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2009/01/10/the-jan-10-recap-of-sorts/comment-page-1/#comment-309396</link>
		<dc:creator>Secret Agent Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave/DMZ,

Did they let on about what they might do with Morrow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave/DMZ,</p>
<p>Did they let on about what they might do with Morrow?</p>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When this confidentiality thing first came up with a Bavasi session a few years ago, it bugged me, as I was unable to go to that one. I couldn&#039;t make this one, either. Like others, I figured there was no way they could keep everything quiet, but I realize that it does help. Pro journalists like Baker or any other major media person will not report anything that comes out of a session like this, and USSM management won&#039;t abide any of it posted here. Sure, something might show up on some other message board, but an item like that wouldn&#039;t become a huge story unless it was to announce a major news flash, and these 4 Mariners guys weren&#039;t about to spring any bombshells to our group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When this confidentiality thing first came up with a Bavasi session a few years ago, it bugged me, as I was unable to go to that one. I couldn&#8217;t make this one, either. Like others, I figured there was no way they could keep everything quiet, but I realize that it does help. Pro journalists like Baker or any other major media person will not report anything that comes out of a session like this, and USSM management won&#8217;t abide any of it posted here. Sure, something might show up on some other message board, but an item like that wouldn&#8217;t become a huge story unless it was to announce a major news flash, and these 4 Mariners guys weren&#8217;t about to spring any bombshells to our group.</p>
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		<title>By: SonOfZavaras</title>
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		<dc:creator>SonOfZavaras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this makes me wish I could have gone.
Damn the job anyway. 

It sounded like it was ri-sick-ulously good to be there. Hope the next USSM event comes quick, and is just as cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this makes me wish I could have gone.<br />
Damn the job anyway. </p>
<p>It sounded like it was ri-sick-ulously good to be there. Hope the next USSM event comes quick, and is just as cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yakima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great event, thanks guys.  A few comments.

Carmen really did drink 4 bottles of water before heading to the restroom.  I don&#039;t know if that is a natural talent or an acquired skill after years of scouting baseball games.

I was really impressed with the quality of the questions.  I didn&#039;t think there was one stupid one.  The name &quot;Griffey&quot; did not come from any of the questioners and was only mentioned by Tom in the context of not missing with your top draft picks.

With that being said, I wish we had gone with more of the submitted questions and the bloggers own personal questions.  I think it would have given the afternoon more focus and would have provided us with even more information than we ended up getting (which was a lot).

The questions about Felix and establishing the fastball were the most frustrating ones.  The questioners were trying diplomatically to hold to the ground rules and not name Felix.  Eventually, Felix was named, but I don&#039;t think the panelists ever understood that the questioners were asking why Felix throws such a high percentage of fastballs in the first inning.  The answers weren&#039;t satisfactory because the question wasn&#039;t clear.  I thought the bloggers had a chance to clarify the question, but passed up the opportunity.

Thanks, again, for the opportunity to attend.  I&#039;ll be at the next one - even if I have to chain up at the top of the pass at 10:00 pm to get home.

Who else in the front office would we want to hear from besides Z?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great event, thanks guys.  A few comments.</p>
<p>Carmen really did drink 4 bottles of water before heading to the restroom.  I don&#8217;t know if that is a natural talent or an acquired skill after years of scouting baseball games.</p>
<p>I was really impressed with the quality of the questions.  I didn&#8217;t think there was one stupid one.  The name &#8220;Griffey&#8221; did not come from any of the questioners and was only mentioned by Tom in the context of not missing with your top draft picks.</p>
<p>With that being said, I wish we had gone with more of the submitted questions and the bloggers own personal questions.  I think it would have given the afternoon more focus and would have provided us with even more information than we ended up getting (which was a lot).</p>
<p>The questions about Felix and establishing the fastball were the most frustrating ones.  The questioners were trying diplomatically to hold to the ground rules and not name Felix.  Eventually, Felix was named, but I don&#8217;t think the panelists ever understood that the questioners were asking why Felix throws such a high percentage of fastballs in the first inning.  The answers weren&#8217;t satisfactory because the question wasn&#8217;t clear.  I thought the bloggers had a chance to clarify the question, but passed up the opportunity.</p>
<p>Thanks, again, for the opportunity to attend.  I&#8217;ll be at the next one &#8211; even if I have to chain up at the top of the pass at 10:00 pm to get home.</p>
<p>Who else in the front office would we want to hear from besides Z?</p>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think he was too busy writing his blog piece misunderstanding what impact Olkin had on the FO last year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Much of Baker&#039;s writing related to stats has basically become intellectually dishonest (way too many logical fallacies for them not to be intentional). In some ways it&#039;s like giving a troll admin rights.

He&#039;s basically best ignored rather than engaged on these issues. Reasonable minds can easily decide the truth between the latest &quot;stat&#039;s suck&quot; rant and the counter, USSM-authored &quot;First two months&quot; thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think he was too busy writing his blog piece misunderstanding what impact Olkin had on the FO last year.</p></blockquote>
<p>Much of Baker&#8217;s writing related to stats has basically become intellectually dishonest (way too many logical fallacies for them not to be intentional). In some ways it&#8217;s like giving a troll admin rights.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s basically best ignored rather than engaged on these issues. Reasonable minds can easily decide the truth between the latest &#8220;stat&#8217;s suck&#8221; rant and the counter, USSM-authored &#8220;First two months&#8221; thread.</p>
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		<title>By: okdan</title>
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		<dc:creator>okdan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One little thing that I remember, but haven&#039;t seen mentioned. Someone asked if it would be possible to get more detailed/useful stats on the jumbo-tron during games, and Blengino sounded genuinely interested and said he&#039;s &quot;take than one back&quot; with him. I thought that was kind of cool.

He also made sure to point out a couple of times that he comes from a stats background, and so he knows where we are coming from. He&#039;s on our side, so to speak. I thought it was interesting that he made that point more than once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One little thing that I remember, but haven&#8217;t seen mentioned. Someone asked if it would be possible to get more detailed/useful stats on the jumbo-tron during games, and Blengino sounded genuinely interested and said he&#8217;s &#8220;take than one back&#8221; with him. I thought that was kind of cool.</p>
<p>He also made sure to point out a couple of times that he comes from a stats background, and so he knows where we are coming from. He&#8217;s on our side, so to speak. I thought it was interesting that he made that point more than once.</p>
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		<title>By: SeasonTix</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeasonTix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I pointed out in the &quot;Dudes&quot; thread, they key point that Tony Blengino made during the presentation was that when (not &quot;if) the M&#039;s get good they would stay good.

By that, he means that once the pipeline is full of good players in the minor league system they intend to keep it full so that the M&#039;s never run out of major league ready talent.

He couldn&#039;t say exactly when they would reach that &quot;full pipeline&quot; milestone, but I liked the idea that they are thinking long-term on every decision.

For example, I doubt they would have given away Adam Jones because he has such great upside and potential to be a long-term contributor to the M&#039;s.  I don&#039;t think they would trade that kind of asset for a short-term &quot;fix&quot; like Bedard.

Another key comment that Blengino
made yesterday was &quot;You have to KNOW your players. You have to know your players better than anyone else.&quot;

In other words, I think the days of giving away players for nothing, or less than their true value, are long gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I pointed out in the &#8220;Dudes&#8221; thread, they key point that Tony Blengino made during the presentation was that when (not &#8220;if) the M&#8217;s get good they would stay good.</p>
<p>By that, he means that once the pipeline is full of good players in the minor league system they intend to keep it full so that the M&#8217;s never run out of major league ready talent.</p>
<p>He couldn&#8217;t say exactly when they would reach that &#8220;full pipeline&#8221; milestone, but I liked the idea that they are thinking long-term on every decision.</p>
<p>For example, I doubt they would have given away Adam Jones because he has such great upside and potential to be a long-term contributor to the M&#8217;s.  I don&#8217;t think they would trade that kind of asset for a short-term &#8220;fix&#8221; like Bedard.</p>
<p>Another key comment that Blengino<br />
made yesterday was &#8220;You have to KNOW your players. You have to know your players better than anyone else.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, I think the days of giving away players for nothing, or less than their true value, are long gone.</p>
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