Comments on: Abreu Off The Market http://ussmariner.com/2009/02/10/abreu-off-the-market/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:14:05 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Omerta http://ussmariner.com/2009/02/10/abreu-off-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-312016 Omerta Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:52:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7253#comment-312016 <blockquote>Fired-GM Steve Phillips of ESPN says we’ve had “one of the worst offseasons in baseball.” One Year Ago… Steve Phillips: “With the acquisition of Carlos Silva and the big trade that just went down with Erik Bedard, the Mariners are now the favorites to win the AL West…” </blockquote> Phillips is like bizarro world Jack Zduriencik...or normal world Bill Bavasi.

Fired-GM Steve Phillips of ESPN says we’ve had “one of the worst offseasons in baseball.”

One Year Ago…

Steve Phillips: “With the acquisition of Carlos Silva and the big trade that just went down with Erik Bedard, the Mariners are now the favorites to win the AL West…”

Phillips is like bizarro world Jack Zduriencik…or normal world Bill Bavasi.

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2009/02/10/abreu-off-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-311992 msb Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:16:09 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7253#comment-311992 <blockquote>Dunn wasn’t to play here. If you pay him 4/50 or something, he might change his mind, but if he’s taking a one year bargain deal, he’s not going to sign here.</blockquote> Hickey concurs: "Dunn is a close buddy of Griffey's and he knows Junior wants to come back to Seattle. Even were that not the case, Dunn is said to be less than enthusiastic about playing in the Northwest. He's got an offer on the table from the Nationals, and he apparently would do better with Washington in D.C. than in Washington with Seattle."

Dunn wasn’t to play here. If you pay him 4/50 or something, he might change his mind, but if he’s taking a one year bargain deal, he’s not going to sign here.

Hickey concurs:

“Dunn is a close buddy of Griffey’s and he knows Junior wants to come back to Seattle. Even were that not the case, Dunn is said to be less than enthusiastic about playing in the Northwest. He’s got an offer on the table from the Nationals, and he apparently would do better with Washington in D.C. than in Washington with Seattle.”

]]> By: pshmidget http://ussmariner.com/2009/02/10/abreu-off-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-311991 pshmidget Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:14:16 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7253#comment-311991 Spend $5 mil on Dunn? He's not going to play in the AL. At least, not Seattle - he said that. And Bonds better defensivly than Jr? I'm sorry, has anyone seen him putter around LF the last few years? His knees are worse than Jr's. It's one thing to argue stats, and another to argue a player's desires. Desire = motivation. Spend $5 mil on Dunn? He’s not going to play in the AL. At least, not Seattle – he said that.
And Bonds better defensivly than Jr? I’m sorry, has anyone seen him putter around LF the last few years? His knees are worse than Jr’s.
It’s one thing to argue stats, and another to argue a player’s desires.
Desire = motivation.

]]> By: TranquilPsychosis http://ussmariner.com/2009/02/10/abreu-off-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-311987 TranquilPsychosis Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:57:05 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7253#comment-311987 <em>Well if they are going to spend $1M on Jr, they might as well spend $5M on Dunn.</em> Who would you trade to free up that kind of money on the budget? Well if they are going to spend $1M on Jr, they might as well spend $5M on Dunn.

Who would you trade to free up that kind of money on the budget?

]]> By: bakomariner http://ussmariner.com/2009/02/10/abreu-off-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-311966 bakomariner Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:08:27 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7253#comment-311966 I've been looking at other sites and Angels fans are loving this deal...I would have loved Abreau here as the DH, but nothing more...if he plays in the outfield, they are going to have the worst outfield defense in the division by far... And if we now have to settle on Griffey or Anderson, I'm going to have to want Griffey...all other arguments aside (revenue, attitude, nostalgia), if they bring in Anderson, he's going to want to play LF and that will look a lot like Raul out there... So now that Bobby is off the board, I'm going to have to lean to the sign Griffey camp...I'd rather them bring in a more expensive guy (Hudson or Dunn), but with the payroll what it is, Griff seems like the safest option to not handcuff the future... I’ve been looking at other sites and Angels fans are loving this deal…I would have loved Abreau here as the DH, but nothing more…if he plays in the outfield, they are going to have the worst outfield defense in the division by far…

And if we now have to settle on Griffey or Anderson, I’m going to have to want Griffey…all other arguments aside (revenue, attitude, nostalgia), if they bring in Anderson, he’s going to want to play LF and that will look a lot like Raul out there…

So now that Bobby is off the board, I’m going to have to lean to the sign Griffey camp…I’d rather them bring in a more expensive guy (Hudson or Dunn), but with the payroll what it is, Griff seems like the safest option to not handcuff the future…

]]> By: Dave http://ussmariner.com/2009/02/10/abreu-off-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-311964 Dave Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:57:57 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7253#comment-311964 Dunn wasn't to play here. If you pay him 4/50 or something, he might change his mind, but if he's taking a one year bargain deal, he's not going to sign here. He'll just go to Washington, play with Kearns, and still get to take the field by sticking in the NL. Dunn wasn’t to play here. If you pay him 4/50 or something, he might change his mind, but if he’s taking a one year bargain deal, he’s not going to sign here. He’ll just go to Washington, play with Kearns, and still get to take the field by sticking in the NL.

]]> By: AssumedName http://ussmariner.com/2009/02/10/abreu-off-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-311960 AssumedName Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:37:57 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7253#comment-311960 Is there a bright side here, in that Abreu's deal might bring down Dunn's asking price? I'd love to see him pound the Hit it Here Cafe windows a few times. Is there a bright side here, in that Abreu’s deal might bring down Dunn’s asking price? I’d love to see him pound the Hit it Here Cafe windows a few times.

]]> By: dgarnett http://ussmariner.com/2009/02/10/abreu-off-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-311952 dgarnett Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:58:34 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7253#comment-311952 Dave, I'm curious about your comment re: it would have taken the M's almost 40% more money to sign Abreu away from the Angles. Has there been any statistic or research showing the perceived "negative value" of playing in the northwest? I understand when MLB players say "it's about the greatest chance to win" etc, but i have a hard time believing that every player has the same motivations for signing one contract over the other. You've already de-bunked the travel myth, so I'm curious why the thought that it takes the M's 40% more to sign a player is so pervasive. Maybe at a certain amount of money it just doesn't matter anymore, but I'd think the 10% difference in no WA state income tax + lower cost of living would be a good incentive for most players. Can anyone pay me 3M per year so we can test this theory out? :) Dave, I’m curious about your comment re: it would have taken the M’s almost 40% more money to sign Abreu away from the Angles. Has there been any statistic or research showing the perceived “negative value” of playing in the northwest?

I understand when MLB players say “it’s about the greatest chance to win” etc, but i have a hard time believing that every player has the same motivations for signing one contract over the other. You’ve already de-bunked the travel myth, so I’m curious why the thought that it takes the M’s 40% more to sign a player is so pervasive.

Maybe at a certain amount of money it just doesn’t matter anymore, but I’d think the 10% difference in no WA state income tax + lower cost of living would be a good incentive for most players. Can anyone pay me 3M per year so we can test this theory out? :)

]]> By: rightwingrick http://ussmariner.com/2009/02/10/abreu-off-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-311947 rightwingrick Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:34:19 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7253#comment-311947 If Griffey has lost the weight, his knee is repaired, and he doesn't have to play defense, I think he does help the team. .260/.350 with 25 HR and 85 RBI is one heck of a lot better than we've been getting our of our DH dark hole! And his ability to bring some enthusiasm and interest back to a SafeCo crowd should not be underestimated...it's turned into a mumbling masoleum in there. At the right price, I think it's a no-brainer sign. If Griffey has lost the weight, his knee is repaired, and he doesn’t have to play defense, I think he does help the team. .260/.350 with 25 HR and 85 RBI is one heck of a lot better than we’ve been getting our of our DH dark hole! And his ability to bring some enthusiasm and interest back to a SafeCo crowd should not be underestimated…it’s turned into a mumbling masoleum in there. At the right price, I think it’s a no-brainer sign.

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2009/02/10/abreu-off-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-311945 msb Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:53:34 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7253#comment-311945 lessee, we are now about 50 hours from pitchers & catchers .... lessee, we are now about 50 hours from pitchers & catchers ….

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