Comments on: Yuni To Second?

By: TranquilPsychosis

TranquilPsychosis — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:19 +0000

Plus, perception is always more important than reality, and its possible that the belief in baseball is that Adrian Beltre gets hurt a lot after the thumb, shoulder last year, and shoulder this year.

I kind of doubt that people in baseball have that perception about a player that has averaged over 149 games a season for his whole career.

By: henryv

henryv — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:53:44 +0000

Yes, but something that reoccurs often has an unseen systematic cause, even if its not chronic.

Plus, perception is always more important than reality, and its possible that the belief in baseball is that Adrian Beltre gets hurt a lot after the thumb, shoulder last year, and shoulder this year.

By: Mike Snow

Mike Snow — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:02:24 +0000

An injury that recurs is not necessarily the same thing as a chronic injury.

By: henryv

henryv — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:04:58 +0000

Where does the Beltre “re-establish his value” talk come from? He has 7 seasons of slightly above average bat & awesome defense and one season of amazing bat & awesome defense. He’s a 3.5 win player with +/- 1 win variance.

Injuries always decrease the value of a player. Especially a chronic injury like this has been.

By: NoStars

NoStars — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:02:36 +0000

Make this defensive happen, please.

On a bright note, Ichiro led all of MLB with a .407 Avg in June and King Felix led all MLB with a .94 ERA in June as well.

By: JMHawkins

JMHawkins — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:59:48 +0000

Where does the Beltre “re-establish his value” talk come from?

OPS by year (age in parens):

2005 (26) .716
2006 (27) .792
2007 (28) .802
2008 (29) .784
2009 (30) .664

There may be some teams that look at that little Bell (tre? ha ha) curve and see an aging trend. Coupled with a two month stint on the DL, Boras may think there will be fewer buyers interested in multi-year big-dollar deals. If he could tack on another line to that list that read something like:

2010 (31) .780

then there might be more suitors in 2011.

50% or more of Beltre’s value comes from his glove, and though almost everyone recognizes him as a superior defender, many teams still undervalue defense and don’t see a low-.700’s OPS slick fielding 3B as worth big bucks.

By: jvalentine

jvalentine — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:47:22 +0000

The prognosis at the time was for 6 weeks I believe, which should be right about now; but obviously if he was close to being back and MLB-ready they wouldn’t be making these other moves. (Other reports suggest he won’t be ready at all this year.)

Lame.

Greg Dobbs anyone?

By: JMHawkins

JMHawkins — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:46:41 +0000

Cedeno’s updated ZIPS is .261 wOBA, which still works out to at least half a run below replacement at SS. Argh, yes, but Woodward’s projection is .297 which is only worth about 9 runs over Cedeno’s bat and Cedeno’s glove, via the deck-chair shuffle Dave ran through, is worth about +10 runs over having Woodward play 3B.

So I think it’s about a wash, but Ronnie Cedeno, dissapointing as he’s been, still has more upside.

By: Jed MC

Jed MC — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:43:51 +0000

Where does the Beltre “re-establish his value” talk come from? He has 7 seasons of slightly above average bat & awesome defense and one season of amazing bat & awesome defense. He’s a 3.5 win player with +/- 1 win variance.

Does anyone really think he is more than that?

By: joser

joser — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:42:37 +0000

Well, here’s a question: how quickly can Yuni and Lopez transition to these new positions? I realize desperate times call for desperate measures, but asking two players to switch mid-season to new infield positions (even if they’re nominally less demanding than their old ones) sounds like recipe for some major clusterf–er, errors, at least at first. How much practice would it take before we’re actually seeing the UZR improvement this new alignment should provide? Will Yuni even show up for fielding drills?

I thought their phrasing was odd … “He could be back this year, but probably won’t be ready for MLB play.” At the time of the surgery, it was 4-6 weeks rehab plus however many rehab starts with a team, which would put him at mid-July.

Yes, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of information about Tui’s progress. Of course the usual health privacy considerations apply, but it does seem a little ominous. Hopefully one of the reporters, or someone with contacts (Jay?) can ask around.