Mariners Do Stupid Thing
The Mariners have just completed a three team trade that sends John Jaso to Oakland, with the team getting Mike Morse back in exchange. Yes, you read that correctly, the Mariners traded John Jaso for Mike Morse.
This is Bavasi-esque. This is an awful decision, trading a good player for an older, worse, more expensive, less healthy player with two fewer years of team control. This is what happens you focus intently on acquiring a type of thing — in this case, a “power bat” — and don’t understand the value of the assets you have. This is what happens when you have a manager who doesn’t know how to evaluate talent, and sees John Jaso as nothing more than a backup catcher.
This is Jack’s worst trade. This is worse than the Fister deal. This is just a straight up downgrade. The Mariners are worse off for having made this swap.
mostly a dissappointing trade. Not franchise altering obviously, but still seems boneheaded. had useful hitter in useful place, now have similarly useful hitter in overloaded place. Maybe Smoak is leaving?
But, woohoo, morse..
This is twice now that teams have sold low on Jaso is there something the Rays and now Mariners see that we don’t?
Ugh…what a short sighted move. I wish perfect health for Morse because this trade sucks. At least Capps wasn’t thrown in, or something worse.
I’m thinking there is another shoe to drop. Else we have DHs out the ying yang.
After going through all the same emotions as everyone else (frustration, anger, numbness,ect) I may have found a tiny silver lining to this trade. Maybe now that we have so many “outfielders” Carlos Peguero won’t see ANY time out there at all this season.
I am so jazzed about this trade that I am going to attend opening day… in Oakland.
This signing made my temptation to drive to Oakland to catch a game that much less… Something else has to be going on… My bet is on a sale of the team.
“This is Bavasi-esque”
Pure hyperbole…Bavasi would have dealt Nick Franklin and Jaso for Morse.
As I have been expressing for a while now Jack Z., is not what they made him out to be. He is not at all interested in statistical measures for players. Hes a pure old style style scout who an easy mark for GMs who know how to use a spreadsheet. He trades for guys who have face and look good in a uniform not ones who are good at baseball.
DHs are losing their value because of the need for 12 man pitching staff. So what does Jack do get Bay, Ibanez, Morse, and Morales this off season! Thats four players whose ideal position is DH when he could have just signed Hafner! Instead he spends more creates a hole in the rotation and catcher and even helps Oakland and LAA.
Dumb! Its time for him to move back to being a lead scout.
This trade is why they made a movie about Billy Beane, and Jack isn’t even going to get a minute on Tosh.0.
I’m struggling to rationalize this trade, but here is what I can come up with: catcher is a more critical defensive position than LF, Wedge and Jack think that Jaso is more of a deficiency at catcher than Morse is in LF. Morse has a career 127 wRC+, Jaso a career 116 wRC+.
Of course that rationalization depends on never having seen either player actually play. Or pay any attention to how many years of team control are left. I think Jack must have been told if he doesn’t get to at least .500 this year he is gone, and I’m willing to bet they are going to forget about maximizing Zunnino’s years under control and he is going to open the season in the bigs come hell or high water.
Whatever Dave and eponymous said. The thought of Ibanez and Morse in the outfield is almost enough to get me to quit keeping score. Jaso for Morse is abominable.
ARRRRGGHH!!!!!!!
“Mariners Do Stupid Thing”
This could be a catchy slogan for the M’s upcoming 2013 marketing campaign.
Imagine a starting lineup of Montero at catcher, Ibanez in left, and Morse in right.
All this mess. Creating an even bigger roster catastrophe. One word explains this. Upton. Being spurned by “He who shall not be Named” has apparently spun J-Z into HOVA mode. If the previous trade had gone through I could have seen promoting Hultzen and signing Marcum and looking to get into the fray. But lets face it, our roster is embarrassing now. In the last 10 years, being a mariners fan has shifted to being the baseball equivalent of the Cleveland Browns, or the Charlotte Bobcats or the Milwaukee Mondays Trivia Squad. JUSTIN!!! WHY??? we would have loved and adored you!!! Mike Morse. Cool. I’ll set the first DL stint over/under at May 11th…..and GO!
What really surprises me, is the level of support and excitement I’m seeing over on the Mariner website. From that point, this appears to be a PR success for Jack.
But it really saddens me that so many people really don’t get just how valuable Jaso is, and how this effects us (and Oakland) long term.
I would seriously rank this as the worst trade since the Bedard deal.
Ms now have the 4th best starting rotation in AL West, and they cant hit. Yup, another Bad Z trade, indeed. To nitpick, trading Fister, a young minimum waged, #2 pitcher, for roster filler is way worse, not even close.
In the parlance of the time, Jack Z is bad at baseball. The best two moves of the Jack Z era, were done by Justin Upton {by nixing a panic trade} and by Ichiro (by trading himself).
Jack Z aint the answer. Nice talent evaluator, nice guy, bad GM. There is a reason why he was organization guy for 20 years.
Imagine a starting lineup of Montero at catcher, Ibanez in left, and Morse in right.
Imagine that lineup with Bay in CF.
So…….when are we going to re-sign Miguel Olivo?
“Who knows? Maybe Zduriencik will deal Morse to the Spankees for a better return at the trading deadline…..”
Yeah, because we got such a haul from them for Ichiro. The guy we traded for just passed through waivers with every team in the major leagues passing on him. I’m stoked.
“Now we will have to start over again after this season and listen to the new GM ask for more patience. Ugh”
I think you have stumbled on to the real Mariner’s plan. Hire some old boy network guy as general manager. Let his incompetence run it’s course for 5 years and then hire another at lower pay. The only good GM we ever had was run out of town for making too much money.