Game 63, Rangers at Mariners
marc w · June 12, 2016 at 11:55 am · Filed Under Mariners
Wade Miley vs. Cole Hamels, 1:05
Paxton continues to impress, but the M’s keep finding ways to waste his starts. Now they’re going to need to beat one of the Rangers better starters.
1: Marte, SS
2: Gutierrez, RF
3: Cano, 2B
4: Cruz, DH
5: Lee, 1B
6: Seager, 3B
7: Iannetta, C
8: Martin, CF
9: O’Malley, LF
SP: Miley
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Whats being 4 games back when you can make it 5 today! That’s what I see happening.
What I have been noticing, correct me if I’m wrong. Yes Cano,Cruz, Seager have been hitting and having a pretty nice season so far, but when a game is on the line (like multiple times last night) they are not clutch, can’t seem to get that 1 stinking hit. This might be frustration talking but there is a ton of money tied up between those 3 and no one seems to be afraid to pitch to them in high leverage situations.
Well Grayfox, I won’t go so far as to “correct” you, but I certainly don’t see Cano, Cruz, and Seager, with 50, 43 and 41 RBIs, respectively, as the main problem or as unable to hit in key situations.
The team is still on pace to win 89 games. Maybe the biggest problem is that, for once, these games may actually have playoff implications, and blowing one like last night really hurts.
Hmm, Fangraphs says that all three have a negative clutch rating. Not sure what that means exactly, but maybe you have a point…
Feel free to correct me, I’m just mainly speaking from my observations. I guess last night was just very frustrating to me, Multiple times there was runners in scoring position and the “big 3” coming up, just to get out in lack luster fashion.
Yes they have the RBI’s and the HR’s, but when the game is on the line, can one of them come thru? That’s what I want to see.
This season, Seager has been clutch while Cruz and Cano have not. But that’s the sort of thing you might expect from small sample size theater.
Career-wise, you could argue that Cano has been un-clutch; but, as expected, Cruz and Seager basically don’t show any particular trend. And with Cano it’s worth noting that his career BABIP is lower with men in scoring position, while his OBP is basically exactly the same – which doesn’t really strengthen the “un-clutch” argument.
Robinson Cano 2016 / Career
Bases Empty: wRC+ 168 / 132
Men on Base: wRC+ 136 / 122
Men in Scoring Position: wRC+ 125 / 110
Nelson Cruz 2016 / Career
Bases Empty: wRC+ 147 / 126
Men on Base: wRC+ 150 / 123
Men in Scoring Position: wRC+ 104 / 118
Kyle Seager 2016 / Career
Bases Empty: wRC+ 129 / 113
Men on Base: wRC+ 140 / 122
Men in Scoring Position: wRC+ 173 / 114
Huh – Dennis, apparently Fangraphs rates “clutch” based on a player’s performance in high or low leverage situations, which is not the same as how they perform with men in scoring position or even on base.
I think the average fan would go with the latter, not the former – and this is one case where I’m more inclined to agree with the average fan.
From FanGraphs:
Why Leverage Index:
Leverage Index is a measure of how “on the line” the game is at that particular moment. The great thing about LI is that it’s extremely intuitive, even if the calculation might not be. You know when the game arrives at a high leverage moment. If we polled people from various baseball backgrounds (statisticians, players, coaches, fans) they would all generally agree on which moments were high leverage. LI is simply a quantification of that intensity based on Win Expectancy.
This allows you to determine how players perform in different situations (high, medium, and low leverage). It allows you to review the way managers use their relief pitchers. It warns you that the game might change very dramatically.
Performance in high or low leverage moments isn’t a repeatable skill, but it’s important for teams to manage according to the situation and there’s plenty of room to admire players who contribute during big moments.
I feel that your 3 4 5 hitters should be reliable in all situations, especially with games on the line with RISP, isn’t that why you sign them to 250+ million dollar deals…. I like Cano, but I wish that contract did not exist.
I can’t disagree regarding Cano’s contract. I feel as if it wasn’t as bad as most payday contracts; but “not as bad” does not equate to “good”.
Martin looks pretty damn lost up there…
Nice hustle by O’Malley.
Martin probably would’ve benefited from a few rehab days in Tacoma…
Thanks Westside. As I tried to indicate, “clutch” measurement is not something I know a lot about.
Me either, it would seem, Dennisss. 😛
I’m just not sure how much I buy into the whole “leverage” idea.
Annnnnnndddd thats probably about all she wrote for this game. Trying to the reverse jinx but I have no confidence against Texas at all.
Crap.
Come on, Dae-Ho. Do it!
… Guess I should’ve been more specific regarding what “it” was.
Between Ian Desmond (who knew he could be so good) and Mitch Moreland, they have kicked our asses in all these games against Texas.
YEAH! MARTIN!
Our hitters have stopped scoring runs, and our bullpen has stopped being good. Not really what I’d hoped to see happen mid-season.
Bullpen worn out already in the season? Wow. Ok. Wild card is our best bet.
Ah, right now the weather is nice. I think I’ll risk missing the Mariners comeback and try to accomplish something productive.
Seems you all Tuesday.
Westside, I’m going with your line of thinking and giving up too. I got stuff to do!
Bases loaded, one out — there’s hope! Sort of. This would be quite a story.
I just want to think about Westside and WTF seeing the score later if the M’s could do something here…
Not looking good…
well we got 1 run… on a “hit” to bad Seager couldnt get that “hit” last night with bases loaded.
There’s a start.
6-3, bases loaded. Not dead yet!
Well it was fun while it lasted lol.
OK, kind of dead now.
This team can really put a lot of runners on base though, and as long as you can do that, you have a chance to score runs in bunches.
I’m sure Cano figured he had an easy double, but that’s a dumb way to end the game. He didn’t need that base.
Mariners base running, they could make a whole episode of worlds dumbest just from their mistakes.
Looks like they at least thought about making me regret leaving…