Hector Noesi In Two Pictures
Jeff Sullivan · April 4, 2014 at 9:23 am · Filed Under Mariners
A whole lot of things happened in last night’s game. As one of said things, this happened:
“It was probably a little bit more up than we wanted,” said Mariners catcher Mike Zunino.
The PITCHf/x coordinates: 0.12 feet in from the middle of the plate, 3.38 feet off the ground. Let’s estimate the target. Let’s say Zunino was set up in the middle of the outer half, at the strike zone’s lower boundary. Using that estimate, Hector Noesi missed his spot by almost exactly two feet. Speaking of two feet, that’s what Hector Noesi can go ahead and leave on.
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With Tacoma being rained out last night, fresh, better arms are available. Let’s just pretend like we didn’t make this decision to carry him on the roster.
Walking works, but a catapult would be faster and much more cathartic for M’s fans.
Can’t afford to keep lesser talented players on the active roster because that player is “out of Options.” Can’t, can’t can’t.
Noesi is horrible and should have already been released. If he had not cleared waivers, he would be somebody else’s problem now. Who cares about Hector Noesi. Get rid of him. He’s a fucking “no talent.”
Most long relievers enter the game when it does not really matter, except for when they have to enter a game that matters. Equal parts blame for Z’s decision to keep Noesi as much Noesi displaying his lack of major league level talent for the 50th time.
When Hector Noesi comes into a game and sucks, it’s expected. That’s why he shouldn’t be here. Fuck Hector Noesi and the decision making process for keeping him.
It’s an interesting test case for McClendon and the FO what happens here. We’re only 3 games/2-3 meaningful appearances in and yet we’re at a decision point on this guy. It’s like any other business – Hire slowly, but fire quickly. This guy needs to be fired, quickly. Let’s see how fast they get it done.
Noesi is another Jack Z pickup that’s being kept around far past his “best used by” date.
Admit it didn’t work out, Jack, and let him go. We won’t think less of you. We might even think better of you!
The team wants a long reliever. They still believe in Maurer as a starter. Ditto Beavan. I think we’d all prefer that Carson Smith or Dom Leone had that spot, but they’re not going to go without a long man with Chris Young, Elias and Paxton in the rotation.
When Noesi came into the game last night, I chuckled and smiled, resigning myself to the M’s first loss this season. Defeat was imminent, and I accepted it.
Looking back, I haven’t felt this way about a player before. When the homerun happened, I wasn’t even mad. I mean, seriously, I was bummed the M’s lost, but I wasn’t cursing Noesi or anything.
It’s the rare moment when expectation and reality were one in the same.
Once a player has that effect on even one fan, they should be done.
You guys are looking at it wrong. We were never going to score again. Noesi’s appearance was like a mercy killing and he didn’t drag it out. No reason to totally burn up everyone’s arms in a game we didn’t seem destined to win anyway. Thanks, Hector.
The only place that Hector Noesi should be pitching is at the All-Star Game, when he is grooving fat fastballs to Robinson Cano during the homerun derby. Get rid of him. I rather have Blake Beaven, who is horrible but at least shows that he cares, act as the longman.
Somewhere, Bobby Ayala is smiling…
“Using that estimate, Hector Noesi missed his spot by almost exactly two feet.”
Still closer than Sean Barber.
I believe it was Christy Mathewson who would occasionally do a pitching demonstration before games in which he would jam a stake into the ground near home plate, stand a coin on edge on top of it and, throwing from the mound, proceed to knock the coin off without touching the stick. Noesi does the trick in reverse – most of his pitches seem to find the stick.
Pineda and Campos for Montero and Noesi. Seemed reasonable at the time. I wonder if the Yanks would let us have Campos back, just to take a little sting out of the trade?
major league longman is Beaven’s proper job. Noesi may find success in Japan.
I feel like I’ve been bemoaning the fact that Noesi isn’t a ML-caliber pitcher for so long, it just makes me sad that it continues even today. Admit your mistake, Jack…you accepted a lemon along with Montero in the Pineda trade. Let him go. Has to be someone more worthy of the spot.
I thought we left horrible pitching in the past with the jettisoning of Horacio Ramirez. Alas, alas. FWIW I do like the ‘mercy killing, we were never going to score again anyway’ theory, too.
Been noting all Spring that the bullpen was the weak link. The bartender, NoNo and the two F’s are going to lose a lot of games for the Mariners this season.
FINALLY.
Noesi just got DFA’ed.
A move that shoulda happened a long time ago. I’m sure Miami or the Dodgers will pick him up….*snicker*
Let me just say… whenever this happens, I do feel bad for the player as a person. It’s got to be very rough, failing so publicly at a job after you’ve spent most of your life excelling in comparison to most others (in high school and in the minors).
But man, BillyJive is spot on. This should’ve happened a long time ago. Jack holds onto his pickups far too long.
Noesi DFA’d !!! The gangrenous grenade-thrower was excised from the winning clubhouse just in time! M’s fans can still have hope for this season. When Walker and Iwakuma are back, and up to speed, life will be good…
We don’t know who made the decision to DFA Noesi, maybe a joint decision, but at the least it indicates that performance counts this year. Maybe it sends a message to the other players; it did to me.
“When Noesi came into the game last night, I chuckled and smiled, resigning myself to the M’s first loss this season. Defeat was imminent, and I accepted it.”
Heh, I had the same though. I wasn’t watching the game by then (the wife wanted to watch Grey’s Anatomy on the DVR) but I was following on my phone. As soon as I saw the ‘now pitching Hector Noesi’ I thought to myself “well, that’s the game”. :\
Bye, Hector!
I said this in the game thread, but my complaint about Noesi is that he wasn’t brought in sooner.
We weren’t hitting. All we could do was what we did–tire out our admittedly thin bullpen.
Should have brought in Noesi in the bottom of the 9th…so everybody could have gotten a good night’s sleep and come back refreshed to try to win the second game against Oakland.
(Am I kidding? Yes. But man, did last night feel so much more like an M’s game than the first three games of the season…whoo.)
In a twisted, weird way, things couldn’t have worked out better in the “little picture”… We used up EVERY pitcher we had, then put Noesi in and he gives up 1 HR per pitch as our “last ditch effort”.
Now all the relievers are used up, so we need a fresh arm for today… Somebody has to go to make room. That worked out nicely– pretty easy decision. Bu-bye Mr. Noesi. Hello, Mr. Leone.
Westy, I’ll feel bad for him in a day or two… But right now, I’m pretty happy about it. That’s a pitch no one should EVER throw. Upper middle of the plate, slightly to the batter’s side. Why not just turn around and throw the ball over the fence for him and make the homerun signal with your finger, Hector…
I said this in the game thread, but my complaint about Noesi is that he wasn’t brought in sooner.
We weren’t hitting. All we could do was what we did–tire out our admittedly thin bullpen.
This is a weird and inaccurate way of thinking about hitting. It comes and goes. How the team is likely to hit in the 10th or 11th or 12th is unpredictable, and the lack of hitting in the first nine innings isn’t particularly likely to be predictive. By this logic teams should just give up in low scoring extra inning games on the assumption that if they’re “not hitting” so far they won’t for the rest of the night. Surely this is absurd.
He was joking, DJW.
Pete is a real, actual comedian.
Y’know, it’s funny to me that the Yankees just have a damned difficult time developing pitchers. It must be some kind of “development karma” they have for developed the best reliever ever to play the game. I remember at the time of the trade a lot of people were calling for Nova instead of Noesi, though I wasn’t one of them (I wasn’t a fan of either). I was watching the Yankees play the Blue Jays yesterday and Dellin Bettances came in to defend a 3 run lead in the 8th. He came in with two outs and they showed his existing stat line at a single appearance, one inning, two Ks, and I thought “well that’s weird, this guy walks the universe in the minors”. Over the course of 1/3rd inning+ he faced 3 batters, walked two of them, and of his 13 pitches, 11 were balls.
I don’t even know why I’m sharing this. It just seems like for every Robertson or Rivera they find, the have a few hundred Chamberlains. No wonder they rob the free agency market with gusto, they really suck at developing talent.