Game 139, Mariners at Tigers
Dave · September 6, 2006 at 8:35 am · Filed Under Mariners
Meche vs Rogers, 10:05 am.
Gil Meche pitching on 4 days rest:
72 2/3 IP, 71 H, 38 BB, 59 K, 4.95 ERA
Gil Meche pitching on 5 or more days rest:
80 IP, 77 H, 29 BB, 67 K, 3.94 ERA
Today, Gil Meche is pitching on normal rest.
And, line-up:
1. Ichiro, CF
2. Lopez, 2B
3. Betancourt, SS
4. Ibanez, LF
5. Sexson, 1B
6. Perez, DH
7. Johjima, C
8. Beltre, 3B
9. Forfeited Spot, RF
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Rick Rizz’s blunder is in every update on 1080 the fan here in Portland. That’s right up there with Niehaus’s “What a boner!” line.
A beloved former Mariner is doing something I can’t and won’t talk about through 6 innings, ya know FYI.
what was Niehaus’ line in reference to? and why would that be worthy of note?
Alas, DeJesus tripled. And then got picked off at third. D’oh! Still a 1 hitter, though. I can’t decide if it’s a shame it’s not in NY (where it would help him with the fans) or nice that it’s in KC (where the fans are good enough to appreciate something like that even when it’s going against them, and certainly have little else to enjoy at the ballpark at this point in the season).
I don’t remember what it was in reference to but Niehaus meant to say “what a bummer”. Every so often when someone would screw up on the afternoon show they would play that quote. Maybe I’m just an idiot but it always made me laugh. It’s just quintessential Dave Niehaus.
well, a boner is a mistake, after all, such as Merkle’s boner….
294: Portland is a bigger market than KC and Cinci, so you’re right.
Portland is a bigger city, but I think Cincy/Dayton/Louisville is bigger than Portland, and that’s all within 1.5 hours of Cincy.
Is someone going to have to bust out the Zumsteg Plan again?
Re. #291:
Well, the crazy thing about the Florida Marlins’ payroll — which, amazingly enough, costs team owner Jeffrey Loria approximately $15 million — is that starting pitcher Brian Moehler (6.18 ERA; 1.61 WHIP; 50/33 K to BB ratio), first baseman Wes Helms (.308/.379/.538), and relief pitcher Matt Herges (3.92 ERA; 1.56 WHIP; 30/19 K to BB ratio) are three of the five highest paid players on the ballclub; they earn $1,500,000, $800,000, and $600,000, respectively.
Except for backup first baseman and pinch-hitter Helms, who’s having a career year (Career: .263/.327/.438) — which, due to the amount of money he’ll most likely earn in free-agency during the upcoming off-season, means that he’ll probably be replaced by Jason Stokes next year — all of the aforementioned players are expendable.
At any rate, though, Dontrelle Willis ($4,350,000) and Miguel Olivo ($700,000) are the other two players who are making more than $500,000 this season for the Marlins. Miguel Olivo (.268/.292/.443), unsurprisingly, still has very little patience at the plate; he has just 7 base on balls compared to 84 strikeouts this season.
This is good. They’re going to have to go into fire sale mode next year anyway when Cabrera is arb eligible.
308
Good point, but Portland could draw from the Seattle/lower Washington area too, particularly if they had a NL team (or if the M’s were playing in Portland) which is exactly why they’ll never get a team unless Bud gives the Mariners The Angelos Plan. First Portland has to decide to to spend their money on a stadium, you know– something that matters, and not on stupid things like education and what not…
And if M-Cab does become available, the M’s should offer them Whatever It Takes to win his services.
Of course, if they try to sell off Willis and Cabrera, Bud should intervine– like that’ll happen.
And we all know the state of Oregon isn’t exactly loaded with cash.
Re:280 – Adam Eaton would be because of his history of injuries, and he would take a slight hometown discount too (especially if Lou comes back).
Can we please ban the use of the term “home town discount” too, please?
WFB – hometown discount? No – hometown PREMIUM, if anything.
Sexson? No.
Are there any actual real-life examples of a genuine home town discount (other than a rationalization for a signing that otherwise sucked)?
And we all know the state of Oregon isn’t exactly loaded with cash.
Compared to other west coast cities, this statement is probably true. However, I recall one of the arguments for bringing a team to Portland is that the median income is high enough to support a Major League team. And since you decided to make fun of my state, I am now forced to link to this article. Enjoy!
#315: Are there any actual real-life examples of a genuine home town discount (other than a rationalization for a signing that otherwise sucked)?
Ken Griffey Jr’s deal with the Reds has to be at the top of the list.
Guardado injured?? Whodathunkit. I like the guy personally, but I’m sure glad he piles up DL time on somebody else’s nickle.
I’m gone to Santa Barbara for a week, and thinks like the suffereings of the rudderless Mariners will escape me for a time. . . . Cry for me. Or not. : )
The more I see the highlights of Anibal Sanchez’s no-hitter, the more I think that maybe the umpire blew the call at first base to end the game.
#315: In 2004 Roger Clemens signed with Houston for $5 million. He went 18-4 and won the NL Cy Young Award.
USSM is the fuckign sittht!!! go ussm! yeahhh for bitch cocking er is it somehthing…bitch mongering right? yeahh!
go usdsm!!!
Portland is the biggest market in the US to only have one major sports team.
Thursday’s an off-day. Some people–not only the players–could use one.
The more I see the highlights of Anibal Sanchez’s no-hitter, the more I think that maybe the umpire blew the call at first base to end the game.
Eric Byrnes deserved to be called out anyway. The fucker was deliberately hustling trying to break up the no no on what was a routine grounder. Yeah, the shortstop lazy’d it a bit, but it was still routine. And he’s Byrnes thinking he’s Pete Rose or something. The game was over, let the guy have his fucking no hitter. Why’ya gotta be a jackass, Eric?
Wait, how does trying to get on base for you team make someone a jackass? Isn’t that the goal of a major league baseball player?
325 – Especially in a 2-0 game. Nothing wrong with what Byrnes did.
I remember turning on the TV when I was a kid, just as Ken Phelps swung onto a Brian Holman pitch and destroy his perfect game with one out to go.
That sucked.
Eric Byrnes deserved to be called out anyway. The fucker was deliberately hustling trying to break up the no no on what was a routine grounder. Yeah, the shortstop lazy’d it a bit, but it was still routine. And he’s Byrnes thinking he’s Pete Rose or something. The game was over, let the guy have his fucking no hitter. Why’ya gotta be a jackass, Eric?
This is the stupidest take I’ve ever heard. We’re calling guys out as jackasses because they actually hustle? Fuck, I wish I had Byrnes on my team. That dude works hard, he tries to break up no hitters even when the game is over. THAT…is a gamer.
and hustle really is about the only thing Eric has going for him….
True, but if he got to first the no-hitter is probably still intact (I’d call an error on the shortstop), and the tying run is at the plate. The goal of every player should be to win as many games as possible (unless you’re racing to the bottom for a draft pick).
And I don’t want Byrnes on my team, because he’s just not very good, but it annoys me that umpires make context-dependent calls.
If Byrnes was safe, call him safe.
[i]And I don’t want Byrnes on my team, because he’s just not very good[/i]
Byrnes has been slugging .500 for most of the year, sure he won’t ever play this good again, but the man is a decent ballplayer. I can think of more than one team in the race that would be happy to have him… like Oakland.
Weren’t Olerud’s years hear at a price that would qualify as home town discount? 3 years $20 Million. It seems a lot more value for the money than we’ll get from Sexson.
Addendum: Not that it matters since this thread seems now retired.
The second Olerud contract ws $15.4 million for 2 years – which was of poor value, but the first 3 years, as cited above…that was a hometown deal.
The Mets offered Olerud essentially the same contract as the M’s, so while the hometown aspect was certainly an important and perhaps deciding factor, there was no discount.
but the man is a decent ballplayer
With a .328 OBP in a hitters’ park? No he isn’t.
Grizz – I didn’t know that. So it’s more like a time warp, salary inflation, discount when compared with the Sexson contract.
with a .328 OBP in a hitters’ park? No he isn’t.
As long as he’s playing CF, and slugging in the high 4s, sure he is. Not a long term solution, but a good stop-gap.
Loki: Oh yeah, even though their signings were only five years apart, the Olerud and Sexson signings arguably happened in two different eras. $7 million per year was a lot in 1999; for example, “Player of the Decade” Ken Griffey Jr. made $8+ million in 1999. At the time, Olerud’s contract represented the biggest free agent signing in M’s history. Olerud also signed the year before Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez, and company reset the high end of the free agent market. Since then, increased revenue sharing and MLB’s overall success in adding new revenues (especially through MLB Advanced Media) have skewed the free agent market upward because now there are more teams with money to spend on free agents.
Wait, how does trying to get on base for you team make someone a jackass? Isn’t that the goal of a major league baseball player?
Legging out an infield single on a routine groundball in the first inning is good, especially if you make it.
Legging out an infield single in a tight game on a routine groundball late in the game to give your team a chance to tie it is good, especially if you make it.
Legging out an infield single when you’re the last at bat / out of a no hitter in the ninth inning where the chances of your team actually tying it are slim because the pitcher was performing well and the next hitter is Chad Tracy and his .277 / .337 / .433 line and 123 strikeouts in 135 games, twice that same ballgame, is next up to bat reeks of Byrnes deliberately NOT wanting to be the last out of the game more then “giving his team a chance”.
Mentioning the Brian Holman thing is ridiculous. Holman lost his perfect game on a mistake pitch. I have no problem with a clean basehit to break up a no hitter. Using your hustle on a routine grounder to short to try to bust up the no hitter is crap. If it had been a high chopper off the plate, or another type of “excuse me” single, I wouldn’t care. But he rolled it RIGHT TO the short stop! You’re out, Byrnes. 98.9% of the time you’re out. Jog to first and show some class. Eat your lumps, bow to the pitcher, and go get ’em tomorrow.
I just don’t like it. The 2-0 score was irrelevant at the time. The only thing that mattered by the time Byrnes came up to the plate was the no hitter. There ARE unwritten rules of baseball, and that should be one of them.
I disagree for a fewons:
1) The pitcher shouldn’t have his not hitter handed to him on a silver platter. Why didn’t the Cardinals show some class the other day and intentionally whiff and go down 1-2-3 to give Ortiz his no-no, it is a meaningless game, right?
2) If Byrnes reaches it brings the Tying Run to the plate.
3) The Marlins are in a pennant race, somewhere in the Unwritten Rules there is a chapter that covers not lying down v. contending teams.
4) It is Brynes porigitive to reach base anyway he can, he has every right to his damnest to succeed any he can. It diminishes to no-hit effort if he is trying to *help* the pitcher succeed.
5) Since when is it wrong to try and beat a grounder out?… especially in a close game.
For what its worth, TIF, I think you’re a smart guy, and you’ve added a lot to the comments the past couple of years.
And I think you’re so far off base that I can’t even comprehend the fact that you’re serious.
For what its worth, TIF, I think you’re a smart guy, and you’ve added a lot to the comments the past couple of years.
And I think you’re so far off base that I can’t even comprehend the fact that you’re serious.
I want to make something clear before I continue: what I am harping about isn’t that Byrnes didn’t do what he thought was right nor do I think he didn’t do something we all would have done in his place. The original comment was that the play looked closer then some thought and that Byrnes might have been safe. My original comment was that, if I was the umpire, I’d still have called him out on a close play. Unless it was 100% clear he was safe, even going up to the imagined “tie goes to the runner” bit, he’s out. Now I realize that sounds stupid, but the play shouldn’t have been that close to begin with.
I’ve been embracing statistical analysis and scouting reports since soon after I came here, but this is still a game with human beings; human beings with passion. I am one of these and there are certain things that irritate me to no end about the game. People pitching our guys inside while we don’t do the same thing irritates me. Dropping a bunt during the late innings of a perfect game, breaking it up, irritates me. Showing up my team’s pitcher after a homerun irritates me. Believing in “clutch hitting” irritates me. Rally Monkies irritate me.
If I were Anibal Sanchez and Eric Byrnes legging out an infield hit on a routine groundball broke up my no hitter at the 8 2/3rds inning point, then I’d drill him upside the head next time I faced him. That’s just how I’d do it. If he rolled that pitch through the hole between short and third, I would tip my cap to him and lament my horrible luck. Squeezing out a cheap basehit when you’re the last at bat of a no hitter just doesn’t sit well with me. There will be other times, other places where doing that are good and damned well appropriate. I just don’t think it was right there.
This is all moot since he was out, but if he was ruled safe, would it have been a bigger deal?
The Marlins probably would have made a big deal out of it, but I’d be totally on Byrnes’s side. The shortstop flubbed the play, and the official scorer either called it an error or awarded the hit (probably called it an error).
But the rules of any game need to be enforced consistently, and one of them clearly describes un what circumstances the batter is out. And that wasn’t one of them.
There are no unwritten rules that need to be governed by the umpires.
There are no unwritten rules that need to be governed by the umpires.,
And they maintain consistent strikezones too.
No they don’t.
But they should.