Game 120, White Sox at Mariners
DMZ · August 18, 2007 at 6:03 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
BATTLE OF TEH OCCASIONALLY EFFECTIVE STARTERS!111ONEONEONE!!
Danks v Weaver!
What kind of a lineup would you run out against Danks? No no no no. No!
No.
CF-L Ichiro
DH-B Vidro
RF-R Guillen
LF-L Ibanez
3B-R Beltre
1B-R Sexson
C-R Johjima
2B-R Lopez
SS-R Betancourt
Yup! That’s right! You like that bench, Jones, you more-talented option that could improve the defense hugely with a fly-ball pitcher on the mound? You better, because that’s where you get to sit. Yeah!
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As much as I root for Jose Vidro to defy all sabermetric limitations and probabilities I still wouldn’t want him on my fantasy team even at 2b.
re: #340– Jason, didn’t you mention way back before the season seeing Ichiro draw a diagram of the area he thought should cover as a centerfielder?
The traffic actually hasn’t been as bad as expected. And tomorrow of course is Sunday so no work traffic. You should be OK.
1 pitch … and 1 deep exhale by JJ.
Yow. That didn’t go as far as I thought it would.
Thanks 353.
The great Raul Ibanez has been replaced in left field by the mere mortal Adam Jones.
ADAM JONES SIGHTING!
Where the hell was that pitch?
Game Over!
Putzed!
Yes! Just two games down on LAA.
In defense of the server, it gets really slow — it’s never fallen over and died, or crashed.
I believe Mac is attempting to fine-tune that rarest of bad managerial talents: knowiing which good relief pitcher is primed to give up the home run. Another month of these lineups (Adam + Ben = Bench) and these either penchant for the wrong move or an unusual amount of bad luck and I will hate this man, as a manager, as much as I did Hargrove. But I won’t give him even the rest of the season to fail us all.
Oh, for even slightly smart management, on the field and in the front office!
Nice win. Is the strategy against Putz to swing at the first pitch? Last week Fields crushed one against Putz on the first pitch. Tonight AJ hit it pretty hard IMO on the first pitch against Putz. I think I’m being paranoid.
Oh, and I’m very happy we won!
I got to where I hated Hargrove but for some reason I just can’t find it in my heart to hate Mac. I guess it is because the M’s are still in the race and I never experienced that with Hargrove as they were always out of the race at this point.
[and that’s it for you]
over the wall?
What is up with the hit and run comments on this site? Sometime I think people just wait and lurk for Ibanez to have a good night just so they can post a ridiculous comment like 368. Nobody is saying that Ibanez shouldn’t play. Some of us are just saying that he shouldn’t be playing in LF.
I don’t get that emotional about the Ibanez vs. Jones in LF debate but I gotta admit that when Ibanez is in left I pray the ball isn’t hit to left field very much.
346. George hasn’t faced more than two batters since August ninth mostly because he walked the only guy he faced or gave upa home run.
little tidbit from the postgame– Pitman was introducing the crew coming out of commercial, and misspoke, calling Dave Valle ‘Dave Neihaus’. Drayer, in correcting him, pointed out that he’d just confused Valle with ‘The Bighaus’.
nice nickname
Re Ibanez vs Jones on defense in LF. Has anyone noticed how, when Ibanez is in LF, Ichiro covers so much of LF deep from his CF position and Yuni covers so much of LF short from his SS position? Do you suppose management has told them to cover for Ibanez or are they just being agressive?
That’s part of what got AJ into trouble in LF. Everybody’s so used to covering LF that they there was the three way convergence when he dropped the ball.
Did Red tear up when he got Adrian’s bat? I thought I saw moist eyes.
271 – for future rference – yagi – doesn’t really work in translation though
374. That’s why Raul can be back there against the wall to try for home run balls. Ichiro was probably muttering under his breath, “That was *my* webgem!”
Weaver is only beginning to demonstrate how he can carry a ball club and Ibanez is quite possibly one of the most ammazingly gifted athletes to ever don a Mariner uniform. Hallelujah! Angels take heed
Positivitely!!!
So, I’m wondering how long this whole “Ibanez hitting the crap out of the ball” thing is going to last. I know you guys hate results-based analysis, and God knows I’ve been dead wrong in the past (though the archives of Dave’s Mariners Blog are lost forever). But you have been wrong about Ibanez in the past, too. Is it possible that Ibanez “found his stroke?”
Also, with only one day off the rest of the season I hope that McLaren utilizes his bench a little bit more than he has been. Even if he insists on using Jones as a backup there shouldn’t be any reason why he can’t get consistent playing time down the stretch.
381:
I don’t think that anybody is really advocating that Raul shouldn’t be hitting. People are advocating that he should never play left field and should be the DH against right handed pitchers.
He’s hitting .278/.303/.365(!) off lefties and .278/.348/.495 against righties this year.
Well, USSM really started beating the drums to bring AJ up and play every day after the all star break. The claim was that he was such a big defensive upgrade in LF that it wouldn’t matter that much how he hit. But, frankly, that argument is much less convincing now than it was a month or so ago when you look at Vidro’s and Ibanez’s hitting productivity since then, along with Jones’ drops in the OF. I think a good case can be made that taking either Vidro’s or Ibanez’s bat out of the lineup likely would have cost the M’s some games over the past five weeks even presuming that Jones would have eventually settled down and started making catches.
Are you going to treat us with one then?
When did we make the claim that Jones was such a big defensive upgrade that it wouldn’t matter how he hit?
The closest Dave said, during Ibanez’s slump of horror, was that you could bring him up and he could hit .200 and the net would be positive.
Plus, see elsewhere, there’s a fine argument that Vidro’s success is unlikely to continue, though obviously, one never knows.
Are you going to treat us with one then?
Vidro stats since AS break: .405 Avg, .952 OPS, 22 RBIs
Ibanez stats since AS bread: .286 Avg., .883 OPS, 7 HR, 25 RBIs
One of those two bats comes out of the lineup every day if Jones is out there and he may or may not have come anywhere close to those numbers. And he’s looked shaky in the outfield at times, to say the least.
The USSM conventional wisdom on Vidro has been wrong now for five weeks and counting and Ibanez has been shredding the ball recently. The case for Jones playing every day is just a lot weaker than it was a month ago. Sorry.
OMG
Plus, see elsewhere, there’s a fine argument that Vidro’s success is unlikely to continue, though obviously, one never knows.
You mean the argument where you closed comments? That one?
I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying that some of your arguments were weak and you provided no opportunity for a rebuttal.
We’d argued it out in dozens of game threads! Posts on topics even remotely touching Vidro! There’s nothing in there that was new!
You could have emailed this hypothetically awesome rebuttal to us and we could have discussed it! Started your own blog!
brraaarrraaaaararaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Santana slapping around the Rangers…12 up 12 down, 9 Ks.
We’d argued it out in dozens of game threads! Posts on topics even remotely touching Vidro! There’s nothing in there that was new!
If people are continuously arguing it then obviously quite a few people aren’t buying your argument. So how does a one-sided preach-to-the-choir post settle the issue? Even Geoff Baker has been getting snarky lately about the constant beating of the “regression to the mean” drums to advocate benching guys who are swinging the bat well in favor of a talented but unproven rookie.
Anyway, I’m off to the game. Go M’s!
#391
Gotta admit that even though I do think that the Mariners would be a better organization if they followed the advice of Dave and DMZ I can appreciate a polite voice of opposition to the Uss Mariner orthodoxy. Sometimes I find it quite refreshing to be honest.
Pour it on fellas.
I am glad we aren’t playing a good offensive team.
It takes a lot of baseball intelligence to find something to bad mouth about a 2 hole hitter batting .320.
I think rsrobinson should start his own Mariners site.
vidrorox.com is still available!