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Ow, ow, ow
DMZ · April 19, 2008 at 8:18 pm · Filed Under Mariners
That was no fun to watch.
Dave adds: Also, Wlad hurt his knee down in Tacoma tonight. Initial reports are that it’s bad.
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45 Responses to “Ow, ow, ow”
killer_ewok18 on
April 19th, 2008 8:22 pm
At least it was over quick. The fangraph of this game is pathetic.
strong silence on
April 19th, 2008 8:24 pm
It wasn’t any fun to follow on MLB Gameday either.
I’m not worried.
Typical Idiot Fan on
April 19th, 2008 8:27 pm
Glad I didn’t.
strong silence on
April 19th, 2008 8:28 pm
Does that graph indicate that with the game 1/2 over that the Mariners had about a 15% chance of winning?
If so, that says something about their ability to overcome a 3-run deficit.
vj on
April 19th, 2008 8:36 pm
The graph says something about any MLB team’s ability to overcome this kind of deficit.
wabbles on
April 19th, 2008 8:42 pm
Yeah, when I called up the running box score, I wondered how Washburn could be leading Santana 4-1. Then I saw that he…wasn’t.
jlc on
April 19th, 2008 8:55 pm
strong silence Says:
Does that graph indicate that with the game 1/2 over that the Mariners had about a 15% chance of winning?
If so, that says something about their ability to overcome a 3-run deficit.
and
5vj Says:
The graph says something about any MLB team’s ability to overcome this kind of deficit.
Another reason the save is such a frustrating stat.
thefin190 on
April 19th, 2008 9:02 pm
At least they had a chance last night. Tonight’s game was just flat out bad.
vj on
April 19th, 2008 9:23 pm
More fun than plumbing, though…
Mere Tantalisers on
April 19th, 2008 9:39 pm
4:
The graph is not calibrated to the Mariners. The win expectancy represents the proportion of teams in the past x years that have won the game after trailing by three with the game 1/2 over. I think x is about 30.
naviomelo on
April 19th, 2008 9:43 pm
They were actually trailing by four when the game was 1/2 over.
shortbus on
April 19th, 2008 10:24 pm
The scary thing is that this offense (outside of Sexson and Beltre) has been shut down for two games by to pitchers that are good but not great. KC’s Greinke did the same thing. How in the world are we going to score runs in the post season against the best pitching with this squad?
Another thing. Though it was refreshing to see McLaren use Vidro as a PH…what did he have left? That was the sum total of the bench tonight and that’s only because Norton started in place of the “professional hitter.”
It just happened – he hasn’t had an MRI or anything. We probably won’t know until tomorrow afternoon.
Colm on
April 19th, 2008 10:45 pm
Good luck to him.
Mine still hurts and it’s been 14 years now.
Damn this Seattle weather.
firova2 on
April 19th, 2008 10:47 pm
I had to pick this game to attend in person. Two good at bats: Beltre’s rip into the seats and Ibanez, who worked Santana for a bunch of pitches before finally striking out. Otherwise, nothing much. It was indeed a quick game, mercifully.
msb on
April 19th, 2008 10:49 pm
so, if they manage to get a decent game out of Batista, and pull off a win, it would be .500 vs the Angels, right? that would make a nice change.
msb on
April 19th, 2008 11:11 pm
oh, and speaking of injuries, is there any rumoring about Wilkinson, between his bat and toonights outfield play?
shortbus on
April 19th, 2008 11:13 pm
So if Wlad’s hurt is there any chance this team starts looking for OF help through trade soon? I was watching PHI vs. NYM today and the Phillies had BOTH Geoff Jenkins AND Snelling on the bench in the late innings. Either one of those dudes could improve our outfield.
scott19 on
April 19th, 2008 11:15 pm
At least it was over quick.
No kidding…I mean, sheez, with these last four games being at or under 2-1/2 hours, it’s almost like we’re back to the 1960’s!
Breadbaker on
April 19th, 2008 11:52 pm
21: Philadelphia expects to play a long season of baseball and be in the playoffs at the end. Thus, unless the M’s are going to offer Truinfel or Aumont, why are they giving up useful bench players right now? And you’d not make that trade, I presume.
joser on
April 20th, 2008 12:10 am
The game was played in a crisp 2 hours, 11 minutes. Ten of the Mariners’ first 19 games have lasted less than 2 1/2 hours, including the last four.
”Our pitchers like to get on with their work,” Burke said. ”I mean, you don’t need to be walking around the mound and thinking about things. Just get the ball and throw it. That’s what all of our guys do. You work fast and you get in a rhythm, and I think that’s the key to everything.”
shortbus on
April 20th, 2008 12:19 am
23: My point was more that our bench sucks and that we probably could easily have acquired either or both of those guys during the offseason. While we were out signing Cairo, they grabbed those two. Now that Philly has them, we’re probably screwed…I agree.
thefin190 on
April 20th, 2008 12:41 am
Also in the NL I think bench is more important, with there being no DH and all, I guess it’s more important to have guys on the bench who could actually hit. Plus I think Dave was right about signing Geoff Jenkins, now we’re stuck with Wilkerson and Ibanez aimlessly chasing fly balls in the corners.
But god I wish there was a way to get Doyle back without giving anything valuable.
scott19 on
April 20th, 2008 1:32 am
I mean, you don’t need to be walking around the mound and thinking about things. Just get the ball and throw it.
Yes, but how will the stadium coffee vendors stay in business without a Padilla or Trachsel on the roster to stretch out the games unnecessarily long?! 🙂
scott19 on
April 20th, 2008 1:39 am
But god I wish there was a way to get Doyle back without giving anything valuable.
Since the Phils are historically suckers for gas cans themselves, it’s too bad in a way we weren’t still hiding Rick White or John Parrish in the minors for trade bait. 🙂
Wlad is down? Does anyone know the extent of his injury?
Breadbaker on
April 20th, 2008 3:51 am
29: Doesn’t make the game report as of 1am in the News-Tribune. All I could find on the Rainiers website was he batted in the sixth and didn’t pat in the eighth.
terry on
April 20th, 2008 8:22 am
Sigh
Jake N. on
April 20th, 2008 9:18 am
Just a thought. I felt that the rotation here for the Mariners is set just a touch off. The match ups the last 2 series could have been better. Why wasn’t RAD used against the less experienced As where he would have been just as effective or more so then Silva? And pushed back Silva’s start to lead off the series against the Angels? I feel we would be going for a series win today instead of preventing a sweep. Mac just seems to suck at all things logical. Or am I wrong and how?
IHaveALittleProject on
April 20th, 2008 9:26 am
I sure hope Wlad is ok…I think his time is nearing.
On another note: Frank Thomas released. Time for our “professional hitter” to become a professional pinch hitter?
Dayve on
April 20th, 2008 9:37 am
How about we stop coveting players like Jenkins and Snelling and utilize the ones we have? Jimerson, for one, deserves a chance to play at Safeco. Wlad, if he’s ok, is another.
HamNasty on
April 20th, 2008 9:43 am
Frank Thomas is out of a job… Isn’t Seattle where old players go to finish their careers?
Jake N. on
April 20th, 2008 9:51 am
Jimerson is a life time AAA guy just like Reed. Good defence, good speed, no bat. He cleared waivers and was resigned to Tacoma. Why? All of the MLB teams have his twin on there AAA team. We need offence more then anything…
Heres to hoping Ichi starts hitting again today…
IHaveALittleProject on
April 20th, 2008 10:00 am
Last year:
Frank Thomas – .277/.377/.480
Turbo – .314/.381/.394
I’d like the 84 points of slugging rather than 37 points of empty batting average from my DH please.
IHaveALittleProject on
April 20th, 2008 10:02 am
err, 86 points of slugging if my engineering degree actually enabled me to do math.
Thomas had a .857 OPS last year compared to Vidro’s .775 OPS…
The difference was in SLG, their OBP was almost identical (Vidro – 381 to Thomas – .377).
I wouldn’t take him if we had to pick up his entire $12.5MM contract. I don’t know what kind of power Thomas has left, but being right-handed in Safeco could be a hindrance as well. I know back in the day Thomas was a great hitter with power to all fields. I don’t know how much of that he has left.
Either way he would still be a huge step up from Vidro, in my opinion.
Ralph_Malph on
April 20th, 2008 10:26 am
Isn’t Toronto on the hook for Thomas’ entire salary? If so, couldn’t we just pick him up, dump Vidro and eat his salary, and be better off?
Or, for that matter, dump Cairo and keep Vidro as a pinch hitter.
Buster Olney, in his blog this morning, mentions Seattle as a possible resting spot for the Big Train, seemed like he was just speculating nothing substantiative.
I don’t know: it seems like that would give us 4 DH’s, 0 1st Basemen, and 0 Left Fielders.
Also given Thomas’ petulant nature what effect would he have on the clubhouse, is he a Jose Guillen or a Carl Everett?
JMHawkins on
April 20th, 2008 10:49 am
Buster Olney, in his blog this morning, mentions Seattle as a possible resting spot for the Big Train…
Frank Thomas is the Big Hurt. The Big Train was Walter Johnson, who passed away in 1946. I guess you really did mean “resting spot.” Final resting spot.
Sentinel on
April 20th, 2008 11:03 am
Do you think, what with the Nationals stinking it up, that we would have any shot getting Nick Johnson?
scott19 on
April 20th, 2008 12:22 pm
32: Interesting thought on flip-flopping Dickey with Silva. Since the A’s have been known to free-swing a bit (and with less success at the moment than guys like Vladdy), he might have had slightly better results against their lineup.
scott19 on
April 20th, 2008 12:25 pm
41/42: Unfortunately for Olney, he ended up sounding like the Big Dork! 🙂
At least it was over quick. The fangraph of this game is pathetic.
It wasn’t any fun to follow on MLB Gameday either.
I’m not worried.
Glad I didn’t.
Does that graph indicate that with the game 1/2 over that the Mariners had about a 15% chance of winning?
If so, that says something about their ability to overcome a 3-run deficit.
The graph says something about any MLB team’s ability to overcome this kind of deficit.
Yeah, when I called up the running box score, I wondered how Washburn could be leading Santana 4-1. Then I saw that he…wasn’t.
Another reason the save is such a frustrating stat.
At least they had a chance last night. Tonight’s game was just flat out bad.
More fun than plumbing, though…
4:
The graph is not calibrated to the Mariners. The win expectancy represents the proportion of teams in the past x years that have won the game after trailing by three with the game 1/2 over. I think x is about 30.
They were actually trailing by four when the game was 1/2 over.
The scary thing is that this offense (outside of Sexson and Beltre) has been shut down for two games by to pitchers that are good but not great. KC’s Greinke did the same thing. How in the world are we going to score runs in the post season against the best pitching with this squad?
Another thing. Though it was refreshing to see McLaren use Vidro as a PH…what did he have left? That was the sum total of the bench tonight and that’s only because Norton started in place of the “professional hitter.”
Damn. If Wlad is hurt that’s awful.
Crap. For the loss, for Wlad, for the day.
So there’s nothing specific on Wlad’s knee out yet? God, I hope it’s not an ACL injury.
It just happened – he hasn’t had an MRI or anything. We probably won’t know until tomorrow afternoon.
Good luck to him.
Mine still hurts and it’s been 14 years now.
Damn this Seattle weather.
I had to pick this game to attend in person. Two good at bats: Beltre’s rip into the seats and Ibanez, who worked Santana for a bunch of pitches before finally striking out. Otherwise, nothing much. It was indeed a quick game, mercifully.
so, if they manage to get a decent game out of Batista, and pull off a win, it would be .500 vs the Angels, right? that would make a nice change.
oh, and speaking of injuries, is there any rumoring about Wilkinson, between his bat and toonights outfield play?
So if Wlad’s hurt is there any chance this team starts looking for OF help through trade soon? I was watching PHI vs. NYM today and the Phillies had BOTH Geoff Jenkins AND Snelling on the bench in the late innings. Either one of those dudes could improve our outfield.
No kidding…I mean, sheez, with these last four games being at or under 2-1/2 hours, it’s almost like we’re back to the 1960’s!
21: Philadelphia expects to play a long season of baseball and be in the playoffs at the end. Thus, unless the M’s are going to offer Truinfel or Aumont, why are they giving up useful bench players right now? And you’d not make that trade, I presume.
23: My point was more that our bench sucks and that we probably could easily have acquired either or both of those guys during the offseason. While we were out signing Cairo, they grabbed those two. Now that Philly has them, we’re probably screwed…I agree.
Also in the NL I think bench is more important, with there being no DH and all, I guess it’s more important to have guys on the bench who could actually hit. Plus I think Dave was right about signing Geoff Jenkins, now we’re stuck with Wilkerson and Ibanez aimlessly chasing fly balls in the corners.
But god I wish there was a way to get Doyle back without giving anything valuable.
Yes, but how will the stadium coffee vendors stay in business without a Padilla or Trachsel on the roster to stretch out the games unnecessarily long?! 🙂
Since the Phils are historically suckers for gas cans themselves, it’s too bad in a way we weren’t still hiding Rick White or John Parrish in the minors for trade bait. 🙂
Wlad is down? Does anyone know the extent of his injury?
29: Doesn’t make the game report as of 1am in the News-Tribune. All I could find on the Rainiers website was he batted in the sixth and didn’t pat in the eighth.
Sigh
Just a thought. I felt that the rotation here for the Mariners is set just a touch off. The match ups the last 2 series could have been better. Why wasn’t RAD used against the less experienced As where he would have been just as effective or more so then Silva? And pushed back Silva’s start to lead off the series against the Angels? I feel we would be going for a series win today instead of preventing a sweep. Mac just seems to suck at all things logical. Or am I wrong and how?
I sure hope Wlad is ok…I think his time is nearing.
On another note: Frank Thomas released. Time for our “professional hitter” to become a professional pinch hitter?
How about we stop coveting players like Jenkins and Snelling and utilize the ones we have? Jimerson, for one, deserves a chance to play at Safeco. Wlad, if he’s ok, is another.
Frank Thomas is out of a job… Isn’t Seattle where old players go to finish their careers?
Jimerson is a life time AAA guy just like Reed. Good defence, good speed, no bat. He cleared waivers and was resigned to Tacoma. Why? All of the MLB teams have his twin on there AAA team. We need offence more then anything…
Heres to hoping Ichi starts hitting again today…
Last year:
Frank Thomas – .277/.377/.480
Turbo – .314/.381/.394
I’d like the 84 points of slugging rather than 37 points of empty batting average from my DH please.
err, 86 points of slugging if my engineering degree actually enabled me to do math.
Thomas had a .857 OPS last year compared to Vidro’s .775 OPS…
The difference was in SLG, their OBP was almost identical (Vidro – 381 to Thomas – .377).
I wouldn’t take him if we had to pick up his entire $12.5MM contract. I don’t know what kind of power Thomas has left, but being right-handed in Safeco could be a hindrance as well. I know back in the day Thomas was a great hitter with power to all fields. I don’t know how much of that he has left.
Either way he would still be a huge step up from Vidro, in my opinion.
Isn’t Toronto on the hook for Thomas’ entire salary? If so, couldn’t we just pick him up, dump Vidro and eat his salary, and be better off?
Or, for that matter, dump Cairo and keep Vidro as a pinch hitter.
Buster Olney, in his blog this morning, mentions Seattle as a possible resting spot for the Big Train, seemed like he was just speculating nothing substantiative.
I don’t know: it seems like that would give us 4 DH’s, 0 1st Basemen, and 0 Left Fielders.
Also given Thomas’ petulant nature what effect would he have on the clubhouse, is he a Jose Guillen or a Carl Everett?
Buster Olney, in his blog this morning, mentions Seattle as a possible resting spot for the Big Train…
Frank Thomas is the Big Hurt. The Big Train was Walter Johnson, who passed away in 1946. I guess you really did mean “resting spot.” Final resting spot.
Do you think, what with the Nationals stinking it up, that we would have any shot getting Nick Johnson?
32: Interesting thought on flip-flopping Dickey with Silva. Since the A’s have been known to free-swing a bit (and with less success at the moment than guys like Vladdy), he might have had slightly better results against their lineup.
41/42: Unfortunately for Olney, he ended up sounding like the Big Dork! 🙂