Washburn cleared, or did not clear, or was not placed on, waivers
I’ve resisted posting anything because there’s no news, but this keeps coming up, soo….
If Washburn was not put on waivers:
– He should be
If Washburn was put on waivers:
– He cleared (somewhat vague Times report, PI report)
– The White Sox claimed him
– The Yankees claimed him
Though the White Sox rumors seem to have died out quickly, and since New York leaks like a sieve, that seems unlikely as well.
People who know Washburn’s waiver status for sure:
– MLB teams
– MLB
– Washburn and his agent, probably
That said, we should probably figure he’s cleared. Which would mean, interestingly enough, that teams didn’t want to take on the salary entirely or that they wouldn’t be able to make a deal with the M’s during the available window.
Which is pretty crazy, if you think about it, and a disconcerting indication that maybe the M’s hurt themselves in the deadline negotiations more than was immediately apparent.
Update: Rosenthal at Fox Sports is reporting both Ibanez and Washburn were claimed. Which directly contradicts the Times/PI stories. Also claims it wasn’t the Yankees claiming, for… well, the why not doesn’t make sense, but okay.
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Carson, wouldn’t we get first shot at the waiver wire? So, in theory, we could get whatever we want.
I also heard/read that anyone that’s not on the 40 man roster is not under the waiver wire rule… but I don’t know if that’s true.
Well, I’m not 100% sure of all the waiver rules. I don’t think the team with the worst record can sit there and claim every single player they want. So, to get what they’d want (two higher level prospects) they would need both to clear waivers.
The Mariners may be able to claim one, but perhaps not the other. Again, I am not totally sure if this is accurate. Derek, can you help out?
Oh, and don’t sass me or I won’t offer you free software anymore. 😀
If the Mariners do indeed trade Ibanez, it will probably be for a couple of PTBNL’s. Ala the Dunn deal. They got Micah Owings in return, but he didn’t clear waivers, so they will just wait till the end of the year to name him as the PTBNL.
Yep- for what it’s worth, the Mariners always get first shot at claiming anyone put on waivers from another AL team- no one can trump them. The Nationals would have first shot of any NL player put on waivers. Each would then have first shot if the player wasn’t claimed by any team in his current league.
hincandenza- good point.. nothing can stop a player from coming to seattle if we want them.
Rumor has it that Twins claimed Raul…
Also, only players on the 40 man roster need to clear waivers. If they are offering a minor leaguer, he might not need to clear.
Ok, but after they claim a player, does their waiver position change?
Or could they theoretically claim every AL player put on waivers, stack themselves with veteran grit, and charge back to win the West?
Is it possible the Mariners are entertaining the idea of re-signing Ibanez in the offseason, after he tests the market? In that case it would make sense to trade him now since there would be no draft pick issue.
The way Raul is playing, his stock is probably way up too.
For Raul’s sake, let’s hope he ends up in the AL working as a DH. I have a feeling other teams (and their fans) would be a lot less accepting of Raul’s “defense.”
The Twins make sense the way he hit against them. I am hoping it is the Rays to fill Crawford/Longoria hole left by injury. They have a deep farm system.
It’s absolutely inconceivable that Ibanez would clear waivers. Well, okay Inigo, perhaps not inconceivable, but damned near so. I suppose the main reason they’d put him on waivers is in case the M’s claimed someone and wanted to see if they could work out a deal with Ibanez for the guy(s) they claimed.
Or could they theoretically claim every AL player put on waivers, stack themselves with veteran grit, and charge back to win the West?
It’s called the 40-man roster because you’re limited to having 40 players on it, so no. Right now, I believe they only have two slots open.
Someone on Lookout Landing says Ibanez to Rays. Didn’t list his source. Did a kitten just die?
Edit: A commenter said it, not a poster. Goodbye, little cat.
Edit #2: Did some minor research. Commenter is a poster for DRaysBay, a TB baseball blog.
“Seattle Mariners: Placed DH Jose Vidro on irrevocable waivers for the purpose of granting him his unconditional release. ”
huh. what a shocker.
*splash*
The D-Rays may have claimed him, but they may not have been the only claimant.
Rays 40 man roster.
Would a SP like Sonnanstine or Jackson and a INF like Aybar (corners) or Zobrist (SS) for Ibanez work for both teams? For the M’s it’s better than two draft picks in that the players are at MLB level. For the Rays, they can let Ibanez walk and get two new chips into their system at the end of their run.
I heard Rosenthal say on the air last weekend that the M’s put Washburn on the waivers, the Yankees claimed him, but the M’s were still asking too much for him. It may well be that they pulled him off waivers when they couldn’t work out a deal, and have now put him back on.
Is that possible can they put back on waivers after they’ve pulled him off?
Yes, but they can’t pull him back the second time. If he’s claimed the second time, the other team gets him.
Yes, but they can’t pull him back the second time.
That’s a feature, not a bug.
That’s right. I think the second time is irrevocable waivers so if this is true, if he is claimed by another team, he’s gone. I hope that’s the case, because Washburn stinks.
Here’s the waiver rules as posted by the TNT.
I’ll be very sad to see Washburn go, but he deserves to have the chance to
throw teammates under the buspitch in a playoff race again!Oh, come on, what about all that veteran grittiness…plus the fact that he always speaks well of those around him?
Why, he’s a true team player in every sense of the word! (/snark)
Geoff Baker reverses to report that they have both been claimed. He also indicates speculation that the Cardinals claimed Washburn, so Rosenthal may have been right that it wasn’t the Yankees.
Who would replace Ibanez on the roster?
Why wouldn’t St. Louis claim Washburn? They know there is gold on the M’s pitching roster. Pinero and Franklin are just two of hidden gems we’ve been stashing on our roster in previous years.
Dude, Mike Snow. Your sarcasm radar might be slightly out of tune.
Theoretically, it might be. It’s hard to tell, since your other questions are serious, so sometimes I play along and explain the obvious even though I know it’s obvious.