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Game 3, M’s at Twins
DMZ · April 8, 2009 at 4:48 pm · Filed Under Mariners
5:10. Newer, Slimmer Carlos Silva takes the mound for his first regular season start.
Cedeno in left! What?
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317 Responses to “Game 3, M’s at Twins”
MattThompson on
April 8th, 2009 8:34 pm
They released him and … “The Dodgers owe Jones $22.1 million, which he’ll receive over the next six years.â€
Yeah, a quick Google confirms that Jones was not bought out, simply released, with the Dodgers owing him the balance of the contract.
MattThompson on
April 8th, 2009 8:38 pm
Hmmm…Jones did, to some extent, renegotiate. It appears he deferred without interest a big chunk of the money still owed by the Dodgers, and this was approved by the players’ union.
Live and learn. I honestly felt the union stood categorically against this.
Refuses to take hints about changing nickname on
April 8th, 2009 8:41 pm
Give the big Venezuelan a break. I’m sure you guys aren’t all superlative at your jobs, either.
Noone’s even asking him to be superlative, we’re simply asking for him to not suck complete ass and atleast give his team a legitimate shot at winning. And I will not give the guy a break, because he’s getting paid 12 MILLION dollars a year to do his job. I can safely say that none of us here are getting paid the same.
He’s a horrible pitcher who’s paid a lot of money to suck. There’s plenty to give him crap about, and until he quits sucking, we will continue to do so.
bratman on
April 8th, 2009 8:41 pm
god I hate losing
themedia on
April 8th, 2009 8:47 pm
NOONE in their right mid would trade for Silva. come on man, be realistic. There’s no other GM in the game half as retarded as Bavasi, therefore it’s not gonna happen.
Maybe Isiah Thomas will take over the Yankees and we can send them Silva and Washburn.
The clearest example’s probably Bobby Bonilla, who had a huge chunk remaining on his contract, which the Mets bought out.
The players (and the union) don’t want to accept anything less than the current value of the contract in total. So there’s some room for wiggling there, but their default position is that since the contract’s almost certainly guaranteed, you have to come up with an arrangement that’s better than just cashing paychecks.
So say you want to end Silva’s deal. The negotiation’s going to go like this:
“How much is going to take?”
“How much is left on my contract.”
“Okay, but that’s paid out in future years, so we should discount it blah blah blah…”
“Blah blah blah…” (fast forward…)
“And you’re going to sign with another team, so you should at least cut us a break of league minimum for the next two years.”
“No, I think I’m going to pursue a career in competitive eating. You can either release me and pay me as specified in our contract, or you can agree to those terms.”
“You’re such a jerk. Here, take your $x million lump sum payment, or your $4m/year for eight years, or whatever. Don’t pour barbecue sauce all over it and choke on it or anything.”
MattThompson on
April 8th, 2009 9:10 pm
Wow, the Bonilla case is interesting:
But by that point, it was clear that Bonilla had no future in New York. He was finally released in January after reaching an unusual agreement with the Mets: Instead of picking up his $5.9 million salary for the 2000 season, the team pledged to pay him $1,193,248.20 each July 1st from 2011 to 2035 — nearly $30 million all told. Less than a month later, Bonilla signed with the Braves.
So he ended up with a lot more cash, long-term, than the current value of his contract, while the Mets get a much smaller annual payout over a long time period. So there’s wiggle room, but not a lot of room to reduce the total dollars due. The Dodgers seem to have made out pretty well with a no-interest deferral to Jones.
Paul L on
April 8th, 2009 9:14 pm
Being a little bit of a contrarian…
Why is everyone ragging on Silva?
We’re not looking back and we’re upset because he misrepresented himself and tricked us into overpaying him.
I mean, it’s not like we were in some protracted bidding war with multiple teams for his services. Bavasi offered him a ridiculous contract. All Silva did was sign his name.
And what does being fat (or not, this season) have to do with it? CC Sabathia ain’t no waif and I’m guessing we’d take him right now.
GTownHoyas on
April 8th, 2009 9:26 pm
Why is everyone ragging on Silva?
He doesn’t exactly perform as well as you would expect from someone who gets paid $12 million…
jld on
April 8th, 2009 10:03 pm
He doesn’t exactly perform as well as you would expect from someone who gets paid $12 million…
True, but if Bavasi offered any of us a 4yr/~$50M contract, I’m pretty sure there isn’t anyone who’d say no. That doesn’t make us good pitchers.
Silva sucks, and Bavasi sucks more for digging us into this hole.
Paul L on
April 8th, 2009 10:08 pm
I’m not implying that he’s “good”, or defending his craptasticness.
I’m just saying no one thought he was worth $12mil when he signed. He’s pretty much meeting our expectations.
Lauren, token chick on
April 8th, 2009 10:10 pm
Look on the bright side… Silva being bad allows us to see all these awesome fat jokes every five days! And they’re especially meaningful given that Silva is, like, soooooo immense and obese now!
GTownHoyas on
April 8th, 2009 10:29 pm
True, but if Bavasi offered any of us a 4yr/~$50M contract, I’m pretty sure there isn’t anyone who’d say no. That doesn’t make us good pitchers.
Silva sucks, and Bavasi sucks more for digging us into this hole.
That’s true. But then again, he isn’t really performing like someone who should start in the major leagues at all…
GTownHoyas on
April 8th, 2009 10:30 pm
He’s pretty much meeting our expectations.
He is obviously not meeting our expectations if we are paying him 12 mil.
Paul L on
April 8th, 2009 10:59 pm
He is obviously not meeting our expectations if we are paying him 12 mil.
Wrong. He’s not meeting your expectations.
Everyone here thought he was being grossly overpaid, and generally sucked.
GTownHoyas on
April 9th, 2009 9:41 am
Wrong. He’s not meeting your expectations.
Everyone here thought he was being grossly overpaid, and generally sucked.
So you’re saying that when the Mariners signed him for that huge contract they were expecting this?…
Yeah, a quick Google confirms that Jones was not bought out, simply released, with the Dodgers owing him the balance of the contract.
Hmmm…Jones did, to some extent, renegotiate. It appears he deferred without interest a big chunk of the money still owed by the Dodgers, and this was approved by the players’ union.
Live and learn. I honestly felt the union stood categorically against this.
Give the big Venezuelan a break. I’m sure you guys aren’t all superlative at your jobs, either.
Noone’s even asking him to be superlative, we’re simply asking for him to not suck complete ass and atleast give his team a legitimate shot at winning. And I will not give the guy a break, because he’s getting paid 12 MILLION dollars a year to do his job. I can safely say that none of us here are getting paid the same.
He’s a horrible pitcher who’s paid a lot of money to suck. There’s plenty to give him crap about, and until he quits sucking, we will continue to do so.
god I hate losing
Maybe Isiah Thomas will take over the Yankees and we can send them Silva and Washburn.
we’re simply asking for him to not suck complete ass and atleast give his team a legitimate shot at winning.
And if he’s going to suck it up out there, be a man and don’t badmouth your teammates.
The clearest example’s probably Bobby Bonilla, who had a huge chunk remaining on his contract, which the Mets bought out.
The players (and the union) don’t want to accept anything less than the current value of the contract in total. So there’s some room for wiggling there, but their default position is that since the contract’s almost certainly guaranteed, you have to come up with an arrangement that’s better than just cashing paychecks.
So say you want to end Silva’s deal. The negotiation’s going to go like this:
“How much is going to take?”
“How much is left on my contract.”
“Okay, but that’s paid out in future years, so we should discount it blah blah blah…”
“Blah blah blah…” (fast forward…)
“And you’re going to sign with another team, so you should at least cut us a break of league minimum for the next two years.”
“No, I think I’m going to pursue a career in competitive eating. You can either release me and pay me as specified in our contract, or you can agree to those terms.”
“You’re such a jerk. Here, take your $x million lump sum payment, or your $4m/year for eight years, or whatever. Don’t pour barbecue sauce all over it and choke on it or anything.”
Wow, the Bonilla case is interesting:
So he ended up with a lot more cash, long-term, than the current value of his contract, while the Mets get a much smaller annual payout over a long time period. So there’s wiggle room, but not a lot of room to reduce the total dollars due. The Dodgers seem to have made out pretty well with a no-interest deferral to Jones.
Being a little bit of a contrarian…
Why is everyone ragging on Silva?
We’re not looking back and we’re upset because he misrepresented himself and tricked us into overpaying him.
I mean, it’s not like we were in some protracted bidding war with multiple teams for his services. Bavasi offered him a ridiculous contract. All Silva did was sign his name.
And what does being fat (or not, this season) have to do with it? CC Sabathia ain’t no waif and I’m guessing we’d take him right now.
He doesn’t exactly perform as well as you would expect from someone who gets paid $12 million…
True, but if Bavasi offered any of us a 4yr/~$50M contract, I’m pretty sure there isn’t anyone who’d say no. That doesn’t make us good pitchers.
Silva sucks, and Bavasi sucks more for digging us into this hole.
I’m not implying that he’s “good”, or defending his craptasticness.
I’m just saying no one thought he was worth $12mil when he signed. He’s pretty much meeting our expectations.
Look on the bright side… Silva being bad allows us to see all these awesome fat jokes every five days! And they’re especially meaningful given that Silva is, like, soooooo immense and obese now!
That’s true. But then again, he isn’t really performing like someone who should start in the major leagues at all…
He is obviously not meeting our expectations if we are paying him 12 mil.
Wrong. He’s not meeting your expectations.
Everyone here thought he was being grossly overpaid, and generally sucked.
So you’re saying that when the Mariners signed him for that huge contract they were expecting this?…