General trade tomfoolery thread
DMZ · July 30, 2008 at 11:32 am · Filed Under Mariners
I think the M’s should get in on that hot Barry Zito action. Trade Vidro for him, get Vidro back in the NL where he thrived, give up Silva, maybe…
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FWIW, did any of the trade rumoring have anything about Pudge going to NY before it actually came down? Might we take that into account when reading what they all say about someting happening (or not happening) for the Ms?
I am on the side of not making a move just to make it. Rash decisions are how we became the 2008 Mariners in the first place i.e. Bedard and Silva just cause we “needed” pitching. If the return isn’t worth the offering then don’t do it. Getting low balled can only hurt this team even more.
You know, you’re overlooking Tom Foolery’s music career. Seriously, check it out — I’m pretty sure it was a chance to play in that band that got Scott Spiezio to move to the northwest.
I think we should trade Ibanez for whatever we can get for him… This idea of automatically getting 2 draft picks has one large flaw. Ibanez can just take our offer of salary arbitration and then we have to see him suck for 12mm next year.
I think Lee is handling the Ibanez situation fine. GJ there.
Washburn on the other hand is a different story, unless he really is just posturing, which I doubt.
I fear the only people actually believing Jarrod Washburn is awesome are the guys at thebiglead.com and Lee Pelekoudas, and I’m not sure about thebiglead.
Does anyone else remember The Tom Foolery Show?
(Yes, I know I’m old)
obligatory Griffey Jr. mention
[Salutes] General Trade! [/Salutes]
Nods to Tom Foolery as well. 😉
Anyway, with these protracted rumors of possible interest by the Mets in Raul Ibanez and rumors of a few teams supposedly being interested in Jarrod Washburn as well, perhaps packaging them both in a trade with the Mets(esp. if John Maine is out) would be worth exploring?
Hey, offer them Jamie Burke as well. I hear they need bullpen help. 😉
#35
It seems like you contradicted yourself within two adjacent sentences.
Increase capacity!
Both in the scouting and the analysis.
It always comes down to more money.
What about Mike Carp (AA-Binghamton)? Is he untouchable, because if not perhaps the M’s could go that direction if they want a prospect back for Ibanez. Carp is 22 and is hitting 398/383/445 at double-A. He’s played some OF, but mostly 1B and as a LH power bat he murders RHP (319/409/476). It seems he’d be a pretty big upgrade over Lahair right now, and you might get the Met’s to toss in a pitching prospect of some sort (even just a Willie Collazo type reliever). But for some reason Carp’s name has not been bandied about at all.
#56
Allow me to follow up your wonderful KGJ mention with this story that everyone who loves Junior should take the time to read. Seriously. I love that guy and I freaking miss seeing him in an M’s uniform.
I will never understand all this nostalgia for Griffey. I think people forget that our breakup with Griffey was actually messier than those with ARod and Randy. After all, neither of those included claims of death threats.
I wonder if the FBI ever made an arrest in that case?
(Griffey) told the Seattle Post-Intelligencier that he’s disliked by everyone. “The front office, the fans and the media, everybody’s ripped me,” Griffey told the Post-Intelligencier.
Makes me warm and fuzzy just remembering it.
heh.
“Negotiations are still ongoing between the Mariners and Yankees about veteran starter Jarrod Washburn. The Yankees are offering only a midlevel prospect in return, while the New York Post has offered to pick up the remainder of Washburn’s contract in hopes of being able to run future headlines like “Wash(burn)ed Out” and “Jar-Rod Fails Like A-Rod.””
Nope. It comes down to choices. The M’s have good scouting and input, but bad strategy and decisions. They did fine scouting, for example, Brandon Morrow and Andrew Miller. But then they made the questionable decision of taking Morrow instead of Miller because they do what Bud Selig tells them to regarding slotting, even when it puts them at a disadvantage to other teams who ignore him.
Then they made the second questionable decison of sticking Morrow, a 5th overall pick, into their bullpen where there is limited upside instead of letting him develop as a starter.
More money would not have helped avert either mistake.
Why Ghost? Why you got to be like that? Is it not enough for you that our current team is in the cellar, our front office is in shambles, and there are very few really likable guys wearing Mariners uniforms?
Now you got to go dragging your mud over the best player this city has ever had? The one who gave Seattle fans something to brag about nationally. The one who was the hero for an entire generation.
Are you really going to be that guy who posts one negative article to prove a pessimistic point instead of any of the hundreds of positive articles written about him?
Come on.
Sorry for the tangent, everyone. I just can’t let Grif get done like that. Back to Tom Foolery.
I hope you mean .298. I don’t want to think about how you can hit .398 with a .383 OBP.
Lots of sac flies.
I can’t believe someone referred to Kyle Farnsworth as “the rock of that bullpen” and “the only guy with playoff experience (besides Mariano)”.
One, Farnsworth is terrible. He’s been mildly ok this year, but he costs a lot and has a 99 career ERA+. Two, Jose Veras and Edwar Ramirez both pitched for the Yankees last year, and Damaso Marte was a member of the 2005 White Sox, who, obviously, won the whole shabang. Three, how much does playoff experience matter, anyway?
So in return for nothing, the Yankees get a roughly .5-1 win upgrade. Plus, Farnsworth is a Type B FA while Pudge will almost certainly be a Type A.
Did anyone else notice how much more enjoyable this past weekend’s broadcast was with Joe Morgan away at the HOF? I didn’t even have to put “mute” on!
not to mention an ass.
dang. somehow I had missed that the noted authoress Ana Maria Callejeo Guillén had checked in on Los Marineros back in May
We should trade Arthur Rhodes to the Giants just to see if he’ll plunk Omar in batting practice.
Ya, so much nicer to listen to Rizzs and other commentators that have never played the game.
What have you guys got against people who have actually walked the walk? Is the pontificating and grandstanding of internet experts THAT much more impressive?
I don’t like it when people are wrong about things. Jeff Nelson is frequently wrong.
A Joe Morgan defender? Should I take this one, or let someone else handle it?
Looks like someone did (thanks, edit feature!)
Holy CONCACAF, this is hilarious!
“Hot slippery malodorous mess” is a good start.
Most of the guys who “walked the walk” who have broadcast or print jobs now have those jobs solely because they used to be players; they don’t have any analytical or journalistic skills at all for the most part, and some can barely form sentences.
Boy, something about this thread really brought out the lower phyla. We haven’t had a “people who actually played vs you internet experts” troll in a while. Or maybe the mods are just taking the day off.
Wait, are you telling me you don’t enjoy Joe Morgan and Tim McCarver? That’s crazy talk!
You’d miss gems like this from McCarver – “Roy Oswalt is a drop and drive pitcher. What is a drop and drive pitcher? He is a guy who drops and drives. Very simple.”
It’s simple, it’s elegant, and it is very VERY insightful. Good thing we don’t have more Dave Neihauses out there. He just doesn’t contribute anything.
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People need to remember when talking about Ibanez and keeping him to get 2 prospects that we have to offer him Arbitration and then hope he signs nowhere else. He’s gonna accept the arbitration, count on that.
Yeah that is a serious concern. The team would basically have to beg him to not resign while simultaneously offering him arbitration. Good luck.
I suppose, however, that telling him he WILL be a DH and will not sniff a glove again could help push him out the door
Fixed. And you’re probably right about him accepting arbitration.
Also, is he guaranteed to be a type A? If so, the classification must of slipped a tad. He’s a contributor, no doubt, but he’s hardly a top-two-shelves kinds of player anymore, which is what I’ve always interpreted type A as before.
Dudes! You aren’t paying attention here, are you?
“The chance he accepts arbitration is slim to none.”
Dave Cameron, July 22, 2008
Why Not Trading Ibanez Might Make Sense
<blockquote>Also, is he guaranteed to be a type A? If so, the classification must of slipped a tad. He’s a contributor, no doubt, but he’s hardly a top-two-shelves kinds of player anymore, which is what I’ve always interpreted type A as before.
I think your interpretation may have been a little off.
The classification of Tye A and Type B (and previously Type C) free agents is based on rankings of the past two seasons numbers run through a formula by the Elias Sports Bureau.
The formula does not remotely resemble anything designed to rank players ni ay reasonable method and stats like Games Played(!) and RBI, for instance, carry plenty of weight.
Defense is not factored into the formula but is – sort of – considered by breaking the players into position groupings which further screw up rankings.
OF, 1B and DH are grouped together (depressing most CF rankings) and 3B, 2B and SS go together (a good reason Beltre is a lock to be a type A too) and SP and RP separated out and Catchers get to go on their own.
The top 20% in each group are Type A and the next 20% are Type B.
Last year the rankings included 117 outfielders with the top 23 being Type A free agents. Raul was ninth, just ahead of Grady Sizemore! Replacing 2006 with 2008 is not going to see him slide to Type B or worse.
Fun bonus fact: Emil frickin’ Brown ranked 47th as the last Type B (1B, DH and OF group), one spot ahead of Richie Sexson.
Cheers Matt. I remembered it was a fairly screwy system, I’d just forgotten HOW screwy…
Apparently the Bosox have spoken with the M’s about Putz. Take two prospects and be done with it!
Interesting… depending on the prospects, could be worth it. One pitcher and a lefty corner infielder would be what I’d want, personally.
Been thinking about this rumored BoSox-Marlins-Pirates three-way for Manny (my, that sounded dirty…), and came up with a thought on what *could* get it done:
Marlins get: OF Manny Ramirez (Boston), C Ronny Paulino (Pittsburgh)
Pirates get: OF Josh Willingham (Florida), LHP Hunter Jones (Boston)
Red Sox get: OF Jason Bay (Pittsburgh), LHP Chris Sedon (Florida), OF Jai Miller (Florida)
Marlins get both the stick they need in Manny, and the upgrade at catcher they want with Paulino (not much stick-wise, but he can run a staff and won’t hurt you defensively).
Pirates get a body to plug in for Bay that I believe they control for at least one more year, and a good closer-type prospect for their rather thin bullpen.
With Bay, the Sox don’t lose much, if anything, by trading Manny (and in fact wind up a fair bit better defensively I believe), and get two fairly solid, though probably not spectacular, prospects that could contribute within the next 2-3 years.
Thoughts? Doable?
Doable maybe, but I’m betting Hermida and not Willingham will be involved. Upside is king in these deals.
From what’s been reported, Hermida would only be the guy if it’s just Boston and Florida, and even then the Marlins are hesitant at best to include him. With the Pirates in the picture sending Bay to Boston, including Willingham as a dish to the Buccos is much easier, especially with them getting a closer prospect, which they’ve been looking for one of for awhile (apparently they don’t like Capps long-term, or want to trade him this offseason *shrug*)
Ah, McCarver — yet another honors graduate of the Ron Fairly Institute of Sports Journalism. 🙂